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Old 03-29-2009, 06:19 PM   #1
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WASHINGTON-- The Obama administration plans to give General Motors Corp. enough government aid to restructure over the next 60 days, while Chrysler LLC will get up to $6 billion and 30 days to complete an alliance with Italian automaker Fiat SpA.
Two people familiar with the plan said Sunday it will demand further sacrifices from the automakers and bankruptcy would still be possible if the automakers failed to restructure. The officials spoke on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to make details public.
President Barack Obama was announcing his plan on Monday. It includes government backing of warranties for GM and Chrysler vehicles to give consumers confidence in the U.S. automakers' cars and trucks.
Administration officials said Sunday that General Motors CEO Rick Wagoner was stepping down immediately at the request of the White House, a sign of major changes at the auto giant.
GM has already received $13.4 billion in government loans and Chrysler has survived on $4 billion in federal aid. The automakers have been hard hit by the economic downturn and the worst decline in auto sales in 27 years. In progress reports filed with the government in February, GM asked for $16.6 billion more and Chrysler wanted $5 billion more.
But the officials said the Obama plan would not go that far, providing short-term aid in exchange for significant sacrifices.
The officials said the administration did not view Chrysler to be viable as a standalone company. Under the plan, the government would provide up to $6 billion to forge the alliance between Chrysler and Fiat, but if the companies failed to reach an agreement or find an alternative plan for viability, Chrysler would not receive additional federal aid.
Fiat executives have talked to the White House auto task force about a proposal to acquire a 35 percent stake in Chrysler in exchange for small car technology, transmissions and other items that Chrysler has valued at $8 billion to $10 billion.
General Motors, meanwhile, would have a limited window to work with the United Auto Workers union, bondholders and other stakeholders and would receive an undisclosed amount of "interim financing" over 60 days to restructure the company. The officials said the administration would determine how much GM would need in "permanent capital" during the 60-day period.
If GM failed to reach the concessions needed, some type of bankruptcy could be used at the end of 60 days, the officials said.
The administration planned to send a team to Detroit to help with the restructuring during the next 60 days. With Wagoner's departure, new management would be decided by General Motors' board of directors in consultation with the government. An official said a majority of the GM board was expected to step down.
Obama, in an interview with CBS' "Face the Nation" broadcast Sunday, said the companies must do more to receive additional financial aid from the government.
"We think we can have a successful U.S. auto industry. But it's got to be one that's realistically designed to weather this storm and to emerge -- at the other end -- much more lean, mean and competitive than it currently is," Obama said.
Obama said the government would require a "set of sacrifices from all parties involved, management, labor, shareholders, creditors, suppliers, dealers. Everybody's gonna have to come to the table and say it's important for us to take serious restructuring steps now in order to preserve a brighter future down the road."
Both companies are trying to reduce their debt by two-thirds and persuade the UAW to accept several cost-cutting measures.
Very little was being done in negotiations with debtholders and the union ahead of Obama's announcement, a person briefed on the GM talks said Sunday. This person did not want to be identified because the negotiations are private.
Under the terms of a loan agreement reached during the Bush administration, GM and Chrysler are pushing the UAW to accept shares of stock in exchange for half of the payments into a union-run trust fund for retiree health care. They also want labor costs from the union to be competitive with ***anese automakers with U.S. operations.
Neither GM nor Chrysler have deals with the union on the trust funding or concessions from their debtholders and the administration has been trying to accelerate those efforts.
GM and Chrysler, which employ about 140,000 workers in the U.S., face a Tuesday deadline to submit completed restructuring plans, but neither company is expected to finish its work. The administration's plan would be designed to accelerate those efforts.
GM owes roughly $28 billion to bondholders. Chrysler owes about $7 billion in first- and second-term debt, mainly to banks. GM owes about $20 billion to its retiree health care trust, while Chrysler owes $10.6 billion.
In February, GM said it intended to cut 47,000 jobs around the globe, or nearly 20 percent of its work force, close hundreds of dealerships and focus on four core brands -- Chevrolet, Cadillac, GMC and Buick.
Chrysler issued two scenarios in its February plan: one as a distinct company, and the second in an alliance with Fiat. Chrysler said in its February report that it would cut 3,000 workers and eliminate three vehicle models, the Dodge Aspen, Dodge Durango and Chrysler PT Cruiser.
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Old 03-30-2009, 05:02 AM   #2
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Obama is a socialist, and he's ramming everything he can through to get the Govt involved/invested in every private sector he can.

That was a known thing when the election was being held, people knew this when they voted for him.
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Old 03-30-2009, 05:16 AM   #3
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Fox News at it's finest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29944834

Read this one. Chrystler only gets the money if they merge in 30 days. They offered GM 60 days of operating money if they restructure. Long story short, we have seen the last of these two automakers.
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It seems to me that he is doing more than bailing them out. Obama is now the CEO of two auto companies. How else can you look at it? He has pretty much told both how things are going to be. He told Wagoner to get lost, and the majority of the board is stepping down. Who is going to lead them now when they desperately need a leader? Obama is the leader.
He told Chrysler they had no choice but to team up with Fiat. Obama has left them with no say so in the matter.

Obama is running two Auto Companies.

The government is backing the warranties of GM and Chrysler vehicles to bolster consumer confidence??!!!!

Man, were in trouble folks.

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Fox News at it's finest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29944834

Read this one. Chrystler only gets the money if they merge in 30 days. They offered GM 60 days of operating money if they restructure. Long story short, we have seen the last of these two automakers.
What's wrong with the Fox report?
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Old 03-30-2009, 05:50 AM   #6
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I am wondering if I should get rid of the Silverado. If GM goes belly up then what will their cars and trucks be worth? Looks like the only healthy one right now is Toyota. Ford isn't in the same boat yet simply because theysecured their loans to operate before the credit freeze.
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Fox News at it's finest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29944834

Read this one. Chrystler only gets the money if they merge in 30 days. They offered GM 60 days of operating money if they restructure. Long story short, we have seen the last of these two automakers.
What's wrong with the Fox report?
Hey, I'm Republican, but sometimes Fox News blows things so far right it turns even my stomach.

For 1 it says Chrystler is getting 6bill and 30 days to merge. The true report is the get the 6 bill if they merge.

I know it just wording, but Fox really erks me sometimes. Especially that Beck fella.
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It seems to me that he is doing more than bailing them out. Obama is now the CEO of two auto companies. How else can you look at it? He has pretty much told both how things are going to be. He told Wagoner to get lost, and the majority of the board is stepping down. Who is going to lead them now when they desperately need a leader? Obama is the leader.
He told Chrysler they had no choice but to team up with Fiat. Obama has left them with no say so in the matter.


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I dislike Obama too guys, but if he hands them 70 billion today what would we all be saying then. We would all be griping about our tax money going to dead end companies.

Chrystler has a choice. Make it on your own or merge. I promise you that Chrystler has been talking to Fiat way before Obama got elected. I work for a foreign automaker and these two companies have been talking for quite some time.

American can not afford for GM to fail. Do you not all agree? So tell me what congress should do about it. I don't want to see GM to fail. It would hurt all in the auto industry do to suppliers.

I'm all for suggestions. To be honest with you I don't think GM can make it with or without the help of the government. I don't know why anyone is defending Rick Wagoner. What did he do to make GM better? As far as the rest of the GM board goes, the same question still stands. They deserve to lose their jobs. No one ran that company in the ground but themselves.
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Under the plan, the government would provide up to $6 billion to forge the alliance between Chrysler and Fiat, but if the companies failed to reach an agreement or find an alternative plan for viability, Chrysler would not receive additional federal aid.
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Fox News at it's finest.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/29944834

Read this one. Chrystler only gets the money if they merge in 30 days. They offered GM 60 days of operating money if they restructure. Long story short, we have seen the last of these two automakers.
What's wrong with the Fox report?
Hey, I'm Republican, but sometimes Fox News blows things so far right it turns even my stomach.

For 1 it says Chrystler is getting 6bill and 30 days to merge. The true report is the get the 6 bill if they merge.
Isn't that what they meant when they said this: "Under the plan, the government would provide up to $6 billion to forge the alliance between Chrysler and Fiat, but if the companies failed to reach an agreement or find an alternative plan for viability, Chrysler would not receive additional federal aid."


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American can not afford for GM to fail. Do you not all agree?
No, i do not agree.

If they fail, its because they're running their business WRONG. Propping up a poorly run business is, well, bad business.

Let them fall and if there is a need there (automotive sector) it will be filled by the free market.
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