Who's Obama trying to fool?

[2 Lunger]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090315/ap_on_go_pr_wh/obama_economy

"There's a reason why even in the midst of this economic crisis you've seen actual increases in investment flows here into the United States," Obama said. "I think it's a recognition that the stability not only of our economic system, but also our political system, is extraordinary.

Is he freaking kidding me! Stability! Where's it at Obama?

"Consumer confidence is slightly up. The market is slightly up," Biden said. "It'll go down again, but the people are beginning to figure out that the president's got a plan and he believes we can work our way through this."

Consumer confidence is up? Really? The only consumer confidence I've seen recently is our welfare parcipiants with theirpurple Obama t-shirts onspending their income tax check on big screen T.V's to spice of their apartment in the projects. I could go into further profiling, but it would get this post deleted.

The market is up??? I guess I will have to give Biden this one. The market closes out in the postive for 3 straight days and now Obama has got this economic thing figured out. The only reason it was up for three days straight is because in those three days Obama never took the podium to spew diarreahfromhis mouth. I think he has finally figured out that if he doesn't speak the market does well that day.

[vc1111]

Actually there is some truth in the first quote. We are still economically a major player on a global basis. Many institutional investors with an opportunity to invest globally put the lion's share of their investor's assets in American companies. That ain't for nothin', my friend, especially considering that they can invest anywhere in the entire world.

Increasing investment flows is a positive sign, period. Outflows would be a clearly negative sign.

Consumer confidence may actually be "slightly up." One could easily argue that it had nowhere to go but up, but none the less, positive inflows and any increase in consumer confidence are good signs, especially in concert.

Really? The only consumer confidence I've seen recently is our welfare parcipiants with theirpurple Obama t-shirts onspending their income tax check on big screen T.V's to spice of their apartment in the projects. I could go into further profiling, but it would get this post deleted.

The above captioned quote was accompanied by a loud flushing sound. That was the sound of your credibility heading down the drain.

A large number of Americans voted for President Obama. If your grapes soured as a result, you might spend what bit of brain power you have to question how and why both Obama and the Democrats are now pretty much running the show (instead of crafting cheap slurs).

Your team (and mine) screwed the proverbial pooch. We are now getting what we deserve for having supported a crew of halfwits. Read some of the posts on this board from as recently as a year or two ago. Look at how many defended every single stinking move under Bush and Company and did so in earnest and without question. The phrase "Bush bashing" was like the race card; it was whipped out at the mere inference that what was transpiring might be of questionable virtue. We collectively demanded very little, we lowered the bar every time our crew failed us and eventually even the lefties bar was higher and for enough Americans, high enough to get Obama elected; even that Hillary/Obama tripe was high enough to beat McCain...and McCain was all we could muster? Excuse me?

"You go to war with the army you have, not the army you'd like to have"...in the wake of nearly two straight years of our kids getting mutilated by IED's and driving unarmored vehicles. Yet much of this board, cheered for and revered Rumsfeld (under the Bush admin, mind you)...and had no questions or apologies for him even after he was essentially drummed from his office. That's the kind of stuff this nation got fed up with.

Oh, and now we've "won" in Iraq, right? Most thinking Americans ask, "Won what? What was in this for us?"

And now you'll instead slur those who voted against that kind of "leadership?"

The market closes out in the postive for 3 straight days and now Obama has got this economic thing figured out.

So he's condemned by this board when he speaks negatively and now he's condemned when he speaks positively?

Exquisite thought process. Very impressive. There is a lot of truth to the fact that if someone, anyone, even Obama, could bolster confidence in Americans and get them to start to spend a few bucks instead of financially hunkering down in fear, we might move in meaningful ways toward economic recovery. By the way, last fall Bush tried similar things, similar statements, and failed to get any reaction from Americans. Gee...I wonder why?

[2 Lunger]

ORIGINAL: vc1111

Consumer confidence may actually be "slightly up." One could easily argue that it had nowhere to go but up, but none the less, positive inflows and any increase in consumer confidence are good signs, especially in concert.

You know as well as I know that the only reason consumer spending is slightly up is due to income tax season. Don't fool yourself. I'll see where we are at in April when "Joe 6-pack" has spent all of his tax return.

Really? The only consumer confidence I've seen recently is our welfare parcipiants with theirpurple Obama t-shirts onspending their income tax check on big screen T.V's to spice of their apartment in the projects. I could go into further profiling, but it would get this post deleted.

The above captioned quote was accompanied by a loud flushing sound. That was the sound of your credibility heading down the drain.

Very creative. Sorry that I have lost all my credibility with you. Are you refering that I made a racial statement? Did I? Is it not the truth? Walk into Best Buy right now and see what is going on. I went in there 2 weeks ago and it was elbows to a-holes. At first I was amazed and was impressed with consumer spending and then it dawned on me what was going on. Whites, Hispancs, Blacks, Asians... you name it, I witnessed it. People who should be putting some of that money into savings and making a better life for themselves instead of relying on taxpayers. Call me what you will for saying this. I really don't care. It is the truth. You will call be racist and then your agruement will be that people putting money in savings is exactly what we don't want them to do. God forbid I ever have to rely on government aid to get by.But, I promise if I ever do, every extra bit of money I get will be used to get out of that situation and not to buy a 42" LCD T.V.

Your team (and mine) screwed the proverbial pooch. We are now getting what we deserve for having supported a crew of halfwits. Read some of the posts on this board from as recently as a year or two ago. Look at how many defended every single stinking move under Bush and Company and did so in earnest and without question.

Sounds like you want to switch sides here. Your posts recently have defended the Democrats and bashed the Republicans.

The market closes out in the postive for 3 straight days and now Obama has got this economic thing figured out.

So he's condemned by this board when he speaks negatively and now he's condemned when he speaks positively?

Speaks positively? If that's what you want to call it. I'm saying he's counting his chickens way before they have hatched.

[vc1111]

Are you refering that I made a racial statement? Did I? Is it not the truth?

I made no reference to your words as racial, but its interesting that you would turn around and suggest that and then ask if it isn't the truth.

Instead I noticed that you would purport to have the ability to know who is and is not on welfare by simply gazing in their general direction while they are in the process of making a retail purchase. Also interesting that at a glance you can tell where they reside too(in the projects).

You know as well as I know that the only reason consumer spending is slightly up is due to income tax season.

Lol, apparently you have no clue what consumer confidence measures, Einstein. If they were saving their tax returns versus spending them, and the majority of Americans do spend them (not just those "on welfare" or "in the projects"), that would actually be indicative of negative or declining consumer confidence.

Sounds like you want to switch sides here.

It may sound like that to you because you are incapable of critical thought. Your problem, not mine. "Bashed" the republicans? Lol, well there you go. Oh, and you even forgot to throw in "Bush basher." I voted for Bush. Twice. McCain this last time. There...feel better? Good grief, I wish people had to take a test before they are allowed to vote. Dullard's votes get the same weight as people who think and demand competence from *gasp* even the people they chose and elected. Dullards see this country in democrat versus republican first and right and wrong secondly.

Your posts recently have defended the Democrats and bashed the Republicans.

Oh, allow me to apologize for actually thinking instead of taking a side and blindly sticking to it, no matter what the republicans do. Will you teach me how to march in lockstep like that? How do I dumb myself down so that I can be like you and stop demanding accountability from both sides of the aisle? How do I learn to ignore the obvious self-contradictions within both parties, not just "theirs?"

After all, I would rather die than be accused of "bashing" from the likes of an obvious intellectual such as yourself.

Whites, Hispancs, Blacks, Asians... you name it, I witnessed it.

You saw people purchasing things and you concluded that they are on welfare and from the projects.

Gawd, I wish I could think on such a shallow level. Life would seem so simple.

[haystack]

vc,
I refrained from commenting back to you on the "Farm Welfare" thread, out of respect for you. Being you are a long time poster here and I am but a new guy.

But I noticed that you want to call someone out for assuming they know who is on welfare and who is not.

When you did just that in your reply to mine. Sir I could use that same attitude to apply to all groups of people also.
But that certainly would put myself in a position that I could not defend.

[ipscshooter]

ORIGINAL: vc1111


And now you'll instead slur those who voted against that kind of "leadership?"

I think it's quite appropriate to slur those who voted against that kind of leadership, if they voted for something even worse. And, 53% of the populace voted for something worse. Much worse...

[kevin1]

I honestly think that both Obama and Congress are guessing, throwing our money in every direction hoping that it sticks to something(like the pocket linings of their big business buddies). I don't think any of those libtards have the slightest idea what they're doing.

[CalHunter]

It's quite obvious that Obama, Congress, Fed Reserve Chairman Bernanke and Bush all don't understand economics, business or how to "help" fix the problem. Instead, all have determined collectively that trillions of $$ need to be spent to fix the economic recession we're currently undergoing.

[vc1111]

I think it's quite appropriate to slur those who voted against that kind of leadership, if they voted for something even worse.

Ips, see above reference to the bar being lowered far enough. How many of those 53% were previously Bush supporters??? Make no mistake, Obama gags me almost as much as Hillary. Not quite, but almost. The point is that those within the right, the masses who refused to question and labeled those who did, deserve what they get for not demanding the conservatives in power be conservatives in power.

Haystack, quit your whining. The farm subsidy program is a welfare program. I can tell who's getting the welfare by looking online. Maybe you're in there, eh? That why your so sensitive on the subject? Feeling a little guilty or what? The farmers of this nation have been coddled up till now. They've been wrapped in the flag, called "the backbone of this nation," and have long considered themselves the salt of the earth.

Well, guess what? There is no difference between them, the corporations who are lining up, hat in hand, or the welfare people that the goober who authorized this thread thinks he's seeing in every checkout line he passes by. If you take a handout, in America, you're fair game. People will question who you are, why you need the money, and what you do with it. If you or your friends are taking taxpayer money, you'd better either learn to deal with or deal without the government handouts, cause you ain't gettin' it both ways in my book.

vc,
I refrained from commenting back to you on the "Farm Welfare" thread, out of respect for you. Being you are a long time poster here and I am but a new guy.

Welcome to the Saloon, haystack. Gird your loins, thicken your skin, or go sit in the Peanut Gallery.

Here. Have a beer and post up. I've been bashed on by guys a lot newer than you before. Don't be shy.

[James B]

He didn't fool many here, but he did find a few Guppies.