Looks a lot like Bush. When will the ultimate cause be addressed? That would be home life. Can't teach a kid who has no family support. And contrary to belief, not all kids can be taught at the same level. So forcing more mandates on the masses will simply dumb down the upper level courses to accommodate the lowest denominator. But if you want a flat out, even, average America, let"™s keep up what Bush started. I was hoping that we would address the problems and not force everyone into every class. I, for one, and sick and tired of trying to teach upper level physics to kids who can"™t do simple trig and calc. I"™m spending most of my time teaching the math basics instead of critical thinking.I have had to dumb down my upper level science courses to accommodate the masses that NCLB imposes. I will attest to the fact, that my upper level kids are not getting the substance of the course. They are getting the minimum. IF I taught my upper level chem. and physics like I did before NCLB,I would have over a 70% failure rate. Which I"™m ok with, except the education agencies will coin me as a poor teacher. It"™s a no win for teachers. And we wonder why there are no qualified teacher teaching now a days. Hell, I cannot even find a qualified teacher to teach middle school sciences, much less filling the upper level courses. When will this cookie cutter madness end?
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Time in now for vouchers! It's a shame the Dems love their union support more than our children.[:@]
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Clearly the role of parents in setting high expectations for their children is important. My kids are smart. I'm educated. We read a lot in my household, and my kids get exposed to a variety of cultural experiences. Notwithstanding, my wife and I have had to to go to the mat with every one of our three kids when it came time to begin taking pre-AP classes. We have insisted that they take the full complement of these classes, until they demonstrate to me that they can't handle it. What has happened is as follows: (1) at the HS Junior level, it became apparent that it would no longer be productive for my son to continue in pre-AP/AP English, and he dropped back to the "academic" English course. He stayed in pre-AP/AP math, science, and history through graduation. (2) at the HS Junior level, it became apparent that it would no longer be productive for my oldest daughter to continue in pre-AP/AP math and science, and she dropped back to "academic" math and science. In both cases, however, these two older kids were in 4 pre-AP/AP classes through the end of sophomore year and continued with a significant pre-AP/AP load through graduation (actually, my daughter is a Junior now, so she hasn't graduated yet -- I'm projecting into the future). My youngest girl will be in 7th grade next year. She is in pre-AP math now, but next year she can go with pre-AP math, science, history/social studies, and english and she is going to go down that path. She pitched a royal FIT when we insisted on this. I was afraid my wife would not "stay the course" with me on this, but so far so good.
It is my role as a parent to impose these high expectations on my kids and hold them to account. If they can convince me that for some reason they can't handle the work, I'll relent, but I'm a hard sell and will talk with the teacher multiple times to find out why it is that they can't cut it. In my son's case, the standards for Junior pre-AP English were unreasonable -- and I'm talking as someone with a BA in English. Looked to me like universities were imposing crazy-hard standards to pass the AP English exam, probably because they were not comfortable with missing their chance to have everyone sit through their freshman English courses. It would have taken undue time away from other vital studies for my son to put in the ball busting time required to succeed in that English course. My daughter, despite plenty of coaching and help in math (I've also got a BS in Electrical Engineering, so I know something about math and science and helped out with studying . . . to the extent my daughter would listen to the lesson), wasn't destined to study Calculus, at least not in High School.
My point is that without our high expectations, our kids would NOT have gotten as much out of their education as they should have. They would have gleefully, blissfully taken the easier path on non pre-AP classes.
Don't expect the general public to do this. It seems only the college educated -- 25% of the adult population of the US -- appreciate and insist on the value of quality education. That is, they are the only ones who value it enough to put their feet down and impose a standard on their children and go to the school at inconvenient times to talk with the teachers (usuallyto provide a reality check to my kids who are claiming they got a poor test grade because of the TEACHER not because of a lack of self-initiative, discipline, and application on their part -- surprisingly it never seemed to turn out that the teacher was at fault for their low scores!!! and it was so interesting to see how my child changed their evaluation of circumstances when we had a three way conversation with the graded instrument on the table in front of each of us!!! funny how that works).
disband public scools - make it a state voucer system and all private schools - in other words, make it a compettition for each school to have to EARN your "business" aka your school voucher dollars
watch the quality sky rocket if that happens
radical concept, it will never happen ........ but fun to imagine
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disband public scools - make it a state voucer system and all private schools - in other words, make it a compettition for each school to have to EARN your "business" aka your school voucher dollars
watch the quality sky rocket if that happens
radical concept, it will never happen ........ but fun to imagine
That would increase my pay, but will never happen. What will happen to the kids who live in the inner city that has no way to get out to the more productive schools. Also, you would create an even worse situation in the inner cities. As of now, the inner city can entice teachers to work in the inner city with extra pay. Without that, there would be very little, if any , teachers in the inner city. Which is were most of the bad test scores come from anyway.Another reason the voucher system will never work is the simple fact we have many rual schools thatcould never offer an alternative.
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What will happen to the kids who live in the inner city that has no way to get out to the more productive schools.
Well, let me ask you, would you call Washington DC inner city? How about Detroit? They both have tried the voucher system and both have had positive results.
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Another reason the voucher system will never work is the simple fact we have many rual schools thatcould never offer an alternative.
Perhaps on day one but not in the future. The voucher system provides both incentive for public education to improve as well as attract new schools to come in and compete.
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What will happen to the kids who live in the inner city that has no way to get out to the more productive schools.
it would place responsibility on the parents who choose to live there - this IS the USA you know. There is no Constitutional Right to an education is there ?
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Also, you would create an even worse situation in the inner cities. As of now, the inner city can entice teachers to work in the inner city with extra pay. Without that, there would be very little, if any , teachers in the inner city.
Supply and Demand my friend ...
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Which is were most of the bad test scores come from anyway.Another reason the voucher system will never work is the simple fact we have many rual schools thatcould never offer an alternative.
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What will happen to the kids who live in the inner city that has no way to get out to the more productive schools.
it would place responsibility on the parents who choose to live there - this IS the USA you know. There is no Constitutional Right to an education is there ?
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Also, you would create an even worse situation in the inner cities. As of now, the inner city can entice teachers to work in the inner city with extra pay. Without that, there would be very little, if any , teachers in the inner city.
Supply and Demand my friend ...
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Which is were most of the bad test scores come from anyway.Another reason the voucher system will never work is the simple fact we have many rual schools thatcould never offer an alternative.
you think it'd be worse than what we have now?
Ok. You sold me. But like I said, it will never fly. Especially with the kind hearted liberals running the show. Wait, I mean the kind hearted (to the unions) liberals that are running the show.
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What will happen to the kids who live in the inner city that has no way to get out to the more productive schools.
Well, let me ask you, would you call Washington DC inner city? How about Detroit? They both have tried the voucher system and both have had positive results.
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Another reason the voucher system will never work is the simple fact we have many rual schools thatcould never offer an alternative.
Perhaps on day one but not in the future. The voucher system provides both incentive for public education to improve as well as attract new schools to come in and compete.
Yall have sold me. Im just pointing out why it wont happen.
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kaafir mushrik
Unintended consequences and God have one thing in common: Liberals don’t believe in either of them.
disband public scools - make it a state voucer system and all private schools - in other words, make it a compettition for each school to have to EARN your "business" aka your school voucher dollars
watch the quality sky rocket if that happens
radical concept, it will never happen ........ but fun to imagine
What about coupon days and two for one sales, oh and Big Mac Meal Wednesdays, could draw them in..LOL
Obama's education plan.
