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Old 03-06-2009, 02:13 PM   #1
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Most of the red states receive more in federal money than they pay out in federal taxes.This is true of Texas, Oklahoma,and Kansas.

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Old 03-06-2009, 02:22 PM   #2
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Bottomline, the money should never go to DC in the first place.
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Old 03-06-2009, 07:39 PM   #3
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Nahh i think the feds owe us a whole lot more moneys- just on there welfare wolf program alone- for our various losses.

But not sure how they figure all this out anyways myself- when they upgrade there ICBMS here is that counted as wy getting fed moneys( they still owe us for contaminating our water with rocket fuel etc to)? And when they tax all the vast amounts ofcoal, gas, oil etc & theyhaul it out of here-the vast majory of itto other states for there uses?

Some states the feds claim to own 50+% of
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Old 03-07-2009, 02:38 AM   #4
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Most of the red states receive more in federal money than they pay out in federal taxes.This is true of Texas, Oklahoma,and Kansas.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/ftsbs-timeseries-20071016.swf
interesting.


somehow i suspect if it had been blue states receiving the lions share of federal money, this thread would have more than a smattering of responses.
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Most of the red states receive more in federal money than they pay out in federal taxes.This is true of Texas, Oklahoma,and Kansas.

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Good post falcon, it is a perfect example of preaching one thing, then doing another.
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Old 03-07-2009, 04:02 AM   #6
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Most of the red states receive more in federal money than they pay out in federal taxes.This is true of Texas, Oklahoma,and Kansas.

http://www.taxfoundation.org/files/ftsbs-timeseries-20071016.swf
I can't let you get a way with including Texas in that bunch. You might want to look at your chart again. Texas has never got back a full dollar that they sent to the feds. Oklahoma was pretty pathetic though.

Texas stays under a dollar received per dollar paid, and still does not have a state income tax. We also ended 2008 with an $11 billion surplus. The big shame right now is thatthe country islooking to the big blue states for the answers to our financial problems right now.

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Old 03-07-2009, 04:37 AM   #7
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Texas? Really? Check your chart again.

Without knowing just WHAT they're counting as "federal spending", it's hard to determine exactly what use any of this data is in the first place. Does it include roads and highways? Defense has already been broght up (maybe the blue states would like a few missile silos in their back yards? Health care? Population density? Government subsidies to family farmers or alternative energy sources like wind? In a sparsely populated state, the impact of every federal (or state) dollar spent ishigher (work some ratios, if you need some proof), especiallymisusing statistics here as you are. Let's just compare something like ... oh, South Dakota to say, D.C.? Or Pennsylvania?

But generally, the implication of "red" states as "welfare" states is problematic at best, since it's NOT about how much the states are taxed, it's about how much the individualwage earners are taxed.Income taxes haveto do with individual income, not with "red"or "blue" states.How about you do a comparison of per capita incomes to go along with this? You'll probably find even more disparity between those evil "red" states and yourblameless "blue" states. And let's also not forget that these figures were cooked up (2005)pre-stimulus and pre-high unemployment. I have a hunch you're going to see the table turned, withthese pesky red states taking a back seat to the big states (blue AND red) affected most by recent layoffs and bankruptcies. Your comparison might have to be more along the line of the 1981 data than 2005.
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Old 03-07-2009, 04:47 AM   #8
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If osama has his way there will only be welfare states. I would guess that many things determine how much money goes both ways from government to states. How many retired people, The amount of interstate highways, Indian reservations. You might want to see where the most porkulus money is going as well.
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Old 03-07-2009, 04:53 AM   #9
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I can't let you get a way with including Texas in that bunch. You might want to look at your chart again. Texas has never got back a full dollar that they sent to the feds.
In 2005Texans paid in $6,437 in taxes per capita. Texans got back $6,514 per capita.In the end, TX is still a welfare state; just not as bad as some others. Look at the long term trend: Since 1981 Texas has gone from a netkeeper state to a net welfare state.
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Texas? Really? Check your chart again.
Oh you can bet I checked those numbers pretty close.

Between 1981 and 2005:

Texas sent $2,093,260,000,000 to the feds.

Texas recieved $1,959,949,000,000 from the feds.

Texas has been jipped out of a little over $133 billion.

That is probably how they figure the .94 cents per dollar sent in since that is what

1,959,949,000,000 / 2,093,260,000,000 is.

.93.6 cents.

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