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Old 01-22-2009, 04:08 AM   #1
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Default Antarctic Warming Found by Scientists Dashes Argument

After reading this article and its claims an old friend I haven"t seen in a while came to my mind.He usedto getsuch a kickout of telling jokes about how senseless economists were, he was a professor of math at the local college, some of them I evengot. One thing I did learn was numbers added up should make sense something his jokes claimed economists lacked.

I wondered, should I give my comments on this article and taint the conversation to follow or not? I think I"ve already said too much.Just the way the article is presented, if done deliberatly, insults my limited intelegence.[:@]

The reason I remembered that old friend is I caught myself laughing just the way I did when one of his jokes sunk in.

Here it is:




Antarctic Warming Found by Scientists Dashes Argument (Update1)
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By Alex Morales
Jan. 22 (Bloomberg) -- Antarctica has warmed over the past half-century, scientists said, dashing a key argument by skeptics who say climate change is overstated.
Temperatures rose an average 0.12 degrees Celsius (0.22 Fahrenheit) per decade since 1957, researchers led by Eric Steig, a professor of glaciology at the University of Washington in Seattle, said in the journal Nature. Using new measurement methods, they discovered warming in the continent"s interior, which United Nations-sponsored scientists theorized was cooling.
The findings may help puncture arguments by global-warming skeptics such as the late author Michael Crichton who have pointed to cooling in parts of Antarctica as an indicator that climate change is exaggerated.
"This has put the last pieces of the jigsaw in place," Gareth Marshall, a British Antarctic Survey climatologist in Cambridge who wasn"t involved in the research, said yesterday in a telephone interview. "If you consider Antarctica as a whole, it shows a significant warming."
Temperatures in the frigid continent, bigger than the U.S. and Mexico combined, are important because its ice sheets hold enough water to raise sea levels by 57 meters (187 feet). The desolate mass of ice holds the record-low temperature, measured at minus 89 Celsius by the U.S. National Climatic Data Center.
Antarctica had represented the biggest gap in United Nations knowledge about the recent evolution of the Earth"s temperatures and extent of global warming, a phenomenon that has been widely detected in the Arctic at the earth"s other extreme.
Ice Shelves Breaking
The study indicates that the breakup of ice shelves already seen in the Antarctic Peninsula, a spit of land reaching toward South America, may "eventually" extend to other parts of the continent, Steig said in a telephone interview.
"The fact that the warming that is appearing on the peninsula extends way down into West Antarctica would suggest that eventually, if that trend continues, ice shelves in West Antarctica are also going to similarly be affected," Steig said, pointing to a timeframe of "hundreds of years."
Ice shelves are attached to land and rest on the oceans, so they don"t raise sea levels when they break up. Even so, their loss removes a barrier to the flow of melting land-based ice sheets toward the sea.
Most ground-based temperature measurements from Antarctica began in 1957, and the data is largely from coastal areas. Gauging the vast interior by satellite didn"t begin until 1979. Steig"s team used mathematical models to establish the relationship between the ground and satellite measurements between 1979 and 2006 and then used the correlation they found to calculate temperatures for the interior going back to 1957.
Cooling Controversy
The UN in 2007 produced its largest assessment of climate change, pointing to planet-wide warming while signaling "a cooling over most of interior Antarctica," a phenomenon emphasized by Crichton, who died in November, in his novel "State of Fear" (HarperCollins, 2004.)
The book, one of many in the last decade that stirred popular debate over climate change, prompted rebuttals by scientists.
"Readers may understandably take away some misconceptions from his book," the Cambridge, Massachusetts-based Union of Concerned Scientists writes on its Web site about Crichton"s novel. Cooling trends in some parts of the world, are "fully compatible with the physics on which climate models are based."
500 Billion Tons
The UN"s 2007 report included temperature-change maps that showed the bulk of Antarctica colored gray, an indication of insufficient data. "Significant warming" was taking place in the Antarctic Peninsula, it said.
The effects of warming in the Antarctic Peninsula have been dramatic. In 2002, the Larsen B ice shelf collapsed, with 500 billion tons of ice breaking up into icebergs in less than a month. The larger Wilkins ice sheet, which is further south, lost 1,000 square kilometers (386 square miles) in 1998 and began to break up further last February.
Over the past 50 years the Antarctic Peninsula warmed an average of 0.11 degrees Celsius a decade, West Antarctica gained 0.17 degrees every 10 years and temperatures in East Antarctica rose by 0.1 degrees, Steig"s team found. The data from the east had a margin of error of 0.07 degrees, meaning the actual warming may be close to zero.
Even so, East Antarctica has cooled by about 0.2 degrees Celsius a decade since the 1970s, the researcher said.
"The warming prior to that was even greater than the cooling since and therefore, on average, it"s warming," Steig said. The recent cooling has been attributed to the hole in the ozone layer caused by pollutants that are now banned so the cooling is likely to reverse in coming years, he said.
"Huge Gap" Filled
"Normally when ozone is warmed up by the sun, it causes the stratosphere, which is part of the atmosphere, to warm," the British Antarctic Survey"s Marshall said. "If the ozone is missing, then that part of the atmosphere will cool and therefore you get this colder air over Antarctica and this propagates downwards toward the surface."
Because of the statistical uncertainty that still surrounds the data from East Antarctica, Steig said his team"s biggest advance was in establishing there"s a clear warming trend in West Antarctica.
"The magnitude of the trend is larger in West Antarctica so we"re more confident that it"s warming," Steig said. "We"ve really filled in a huge gap."
To contact the reporter on this story: Alex Morales in London at amorales2@bloomberg.net.
Last Updated: January 22, 2009 05:03 EST
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:08 AM   #2
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I don't know why folks get into such a lather over global warming, no matter what your position on the subject we have only two possible responses to it:

1) Adapt
2) Die

It seems so simple, yet...
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Old 01-22-2009, 05:53 AM   #3
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I don't know why folks get into such a lather over global warming, no matter what your position on the subject we have only two possible responses to it:

1) Adapt
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There ya go. No further discussion required.
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Not much reason to read the rest of the article--that partial sentence tells the story.

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Old 01-22-2009, 02:04 PM   #5
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Not much reason to read the rest of the article--that partial sentence tells the story.

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Just insulting isn't it.
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Old 01-22-2009, 02:42 PM   #6
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I don't know why folks get into such a lather over global warming, no matter what your position on the subject we have only two possible responses to it:

1) Adapt
2) Die

It seems so simple, yet...
Adapt to what? Being sold something. I'm open minded on the subject just don't blow smoke in my face. I know man can effect climate, Ohio history proves it but don't tell me 500 billiion tons of iceburgs fell into the sea after a half a degree rise in temp OR NOT over 50 years. The whole number deal they got going on here is the same old same old. Back in 1957 a million was a big number, now it takes 500 bbbbbbbbillion to shock people. I'm seeing my old friends face again.Why not 499.


Die of what? I'm dieing of the cold around here. Not one day over 95 in the past year and we've alreadyhit 15 below this winter.

I guess Ill mention this, they claim proof using words like "dashed" and in the same article they claim they've proven nothing. Just the way it's put together it seems they are depending on people only reading the first and last part of the article. Insulting. It's not even that big an article.

God said the earth would warm, adapting to our salvation is simple enough. Want to know how? See I'm open mindedabout the subjet.
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Global warming...sure
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If you don't get the results you are looking for, just change the testing methods until you do.
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....like 4 out of 5 dentists recommend that global warming toothpaste will increase the whiteness of our teeth ( results may vary )...
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Sort of like counting votes, eh?
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