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Old 01-20-2009, 04:43 AM   #1
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Default Whose fault is all this?

Some data from my county. Leaders say the want to change policies they say hamper minorities. 81% of the residents of my county are white.

Black children are nearly three times more likely to be placed in foster homes.

56% or infant deaths involve minorities.

54% of males "of color" graduate from high school; 74% of white males graduate

72% of male juveniles referred to the adult court system are racial minorities

74% of male juveniles arrested are racial minorities


Now I am a minority.(Oriental) I am in college on a full academic scholarship. My mother was only 15 when I was born.I have no idea who my father is. Yes we got some assistance with housing and day care when I was real little. But my mother WORKED. She worked six nights a week as a waitress from about six in the evening until 2 or 3 in the morning. I stayed home by myself, studied did homework, did household chores, and read from the time I was eight. If I misbehaved, I got whipped. I was disciplined not abused. She never punished me when she was angry. It was always carefully considered and I knew I deserved it. We bought a house when I was eight. I always had decent clothes to wear. I always ate well. I would usually make suppper when I got home from school before she went to work. Then I would take a nap, and then do my homework or read, or sometimes go out and play with my friends for a while. I was careful not to let anyone know that I was home alone. My mother would wake me up when she got home and we would talk for awhile.Then she would tuck me in and I would go back to sleep.

I don't understand what goes on with some kids and why their parents can't keep them straight.






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Old 01-20-2009, 05:14 AM   #2
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Your mother set expectations for your behavior when she was gone, right? And were you brought up with the understanding that obeyng her was important? My guess is, "yes."

I think those are two important factors.
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Old 01-20-2009, 05:15 AM   #3
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I don't understand what goes on with some kids and why their parents can't keep them straight.
It is because many parents do not try to keep them straight. Manyjuvenile males have no male role models. This is especially true of black kids.Often the mother works at a dead end job trying to make ends meet and has little time for the kids.Many mothersare on welfareand they havea succession of boy friends who are not interested in the kids.Kids succumb to peer pressure, get on dope and join gangs.

Kid raising is one of the things that has been pawned off on the public school system. The schools feed the kids breakfast and lunch. Thisinterferes with the primary function of schools, education.

Alocal cop summed it up pretty well. Paraphrased: "We get 911 calls on all kinds of crimes. When we get there and start talking with the citizens, no one saw anything, no one knows anything. The kids have no fathers, the mothers are at the crack house or in a booze joint. When those citizens are ready to take their town back theywillcooperate with us. Until then we really cannot help them."


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Old 01-20-2009, 05:27 AM   #4
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I"™m in education and have noticed a huge decline in discipline. I have been at this game for 15+ years and have noticed the biggest change has been in accountability.With99.9% of the troubled kids, the parents never allow the kids to take responsibility for their actions. It is always someone else"™s fault. Little Johnny catches the bathroom on fire. It"™s the schools fault for having flammable paper in the bathroom. Little Johnny bullies another kid and takes his lunch money. It"™s not Johnny"™s fault, it"™s the fault of the kid who got beat up, for having money at school.


My little Johnny stories a little farfetched? Think again, I"™ve posted two of many I"™ve set in on as part of a discipline committee.


Oh and here is the best. A teacher is attacked by a student and stabed with a pencile. The kids parents said it was the teacher fault for insisting the student do his school work and not allowing hime to play his video game during class time.[:@]
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Old 01-20-2009, 06:22 AM   #5
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In a word, the cause you are seeking for is "culture." In the oriental culture, education is very important as is self-discipline. It is amazing -- and a good counter argument against the excuse of racism for poor economic performance of some minority groups -- how orientals excel in the US school systems and further how they succeed and advance in their careers. On a scale of most motivated and self-disciplined to least motivated and self-disciplined I would align the cultures as:

(1) Orientals, (2) Whites ofeuropean extraction, (3) blacks and hispanics.

Bill Cosby has strongly commented on the low expectations that black parents place upon their children. Naturally, he was severely lambasted by the many blacks who prefer to play the role of victims of racism.

A scary thought to me is that, for whatever reason, the culture of whites ofeuropean extraction -- my background, my cultural roots -- seems to be declining. Less focus on education, less attention to moral and intellectual lessons, more focus on instant gratification, more focus on just letting it all hang-out and doin' what feels good. By moral lessons, I'm not talking about any stern Puritanical creeds that call for our pregnant teenage daughters to wear a scarlet letter. I'm talking about something as simple as living within your means. Don't borrow money that you can't pay back. Look before you leap. You are responsible for following these precepts; it isn't an "out" to complain that things changed or you were seduced by a salesman up-selling you on the size and luxury of your house. I just try to do the best I can with my own children. It takes trouble, time, money, effort, and some emotional investment. I guess the easy path is to kind of ignore your kids and let them slide along in the stream with everyone elses kids. If this is your child rearing strategy, make sure you live in a place where mainstream is the right stream! That is rarely the case today in the US.
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Old 01-20-2009, 06:26 AM   #6
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Personally, I blame MTV...
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Old 01-20-2009, 06:32 AM   #7
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Personally, I blame MTV...
MTV? Or parents who allow their kids to watch that garbage? MTV started downhill when the format went from rock videos to hiphop, and then jumped over the cliff when they started doing all of their so-called "reality" programming...
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It's cultural. The answer to those who underachieve is not to give them handouts, i.e. equal end results. It is for parents to be responsible and only have kids when they are in a stable relationship and can afford it, and discipline their kids, giving them the best opportunity to succeed on their own merits.
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MTV? Or parents who allow their kids to watch that garbage? MTV started downhill when the format went from rock videos to hiphop, and then jumped over the cliff when they started doing all of their so-called "reality" programming...
I agree 100% with ips...He couldn't have said it any better by putting "reality" in quotes, either. Any time kids turn on MTV or any of those channels with those reality shows they see a "reality" rooted in sex and violence where there is no accountability for one's actions.
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Old 01-20-2009, 08:12 AM   #10
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I agree 100% with ips...
Uh-oh... I need to go to weather.com to check whether hell has frozen over...
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