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Old 01-15-2009, 11:00 AM   #1
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Israel got another HAMASbig shot.

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I hope Hamas gets erased from this Earth. What a bunch of scum. They hide behind civilians and launch rockets, now they are doing it behind the U.N. aid. Yep, Israel will be lambasted for this, but I blame the scum Hamas for making the U.N. the target. Just like all the civilians deaths. I attribute them all to Hamas.
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:31 PM   #3
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I'll drink to that!
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Old 01-15-2009, 12:54 PM   #4
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I hope Hamas gets erased from this Earth. What a bunch of scum. They hide behind civilians and launch rockets, now they are doing it behind the U.N. aid. Yep, Israel will be lambasted for this, but I blame the scum Hamas for making the U.N. the target. Just like all the civilians deaths. I attribute them all to Hamas.
I wrote an analysis on the Arab-Israeli Conflict last semester. This excerpt is a bit long, but I think it's critical for people to understand why people fight. We can assign blame after the fact, but the dead still won't come back to life on either side. America will get caught up in the mess regardless. We need to get to the roots if we're ever going to end this damned war.

Conflict Processes of the Arab-Israeli Conflict


The Latent Conflict Process began decades before the Israeli"s declaration of independence and the subsequent Arab-Israeli War of 1948. Following the inception and rise of the modern Zionist Movement in the late 19th century, thousands of European Jews began to settle in Palestine following the collapse of the Ottoman Empire during and after World War I. Tensions between Arabs and Jews in the Holy Lands grew as the influx of new European immigrants increased competition for land, water, and other resources essential to everyone living in Palestine. Riots and attacks against Jewish settlers by Palestinian Arabs became more and more commonplace as fundamentalist movements among both Arabs and Jews grew in size and popular support during the Interwar years.

By the outbreak of World War II in 1939, The Manifest Conflict Process (MCP) of the Arab-Israeli Conflict had already begun to develop. The tense relationship between Arabs and Jews worsened as each faction perceived the mutual exclusivity of the other"s goals, namely the control of the Holy Lands. Arabs frustrated by the sharp increase in Jewish emigration to Palestine responded with violence against the Jews. This hostile behavior led Jewish settlers to recognize the growing security dilemma they faced, and as a result, militant Jews vowed to defend their communities and their lands against any threat to Jewish self-determination. With the world still reeling from the Holocaust, the Zionist Movement became firmly entrenched in Palestine as millions of Jews and others around the world, namely the British and American governments, supported the establishment of a sovereign Jewish State.

On May 14th, 1948, the Zionist Jewish Agency, led by David Ben-Gurion, had declared Israel"s independence as a state. It was at this point that the Aggressive Manifest Conflict Process (AMCP) of the Arab-Israel Conflict began. Many Arabs perceived the Israeli"s biblical claim to the Holy Lands and organized armed resistance movements to prevent what they saw to be the Zionist occupation of Arab territory. At the same time, the armed forces of Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria attacked Israel, starting the Arab-Israeli War. Israelis, clearly recognizing the Arabs" rejection of the Jewish claim to a covenant with God, hastily organized the Israel Defence Forces (IDF) to oppose the Arab invasion and secure their new nation.

Despite the overwhelming material superiority of the Arab nations" armies, Israel emerged victorious from the Arab-Israeli War, delivering a staggering blow to Arabs throughout the Middle East. Israel has also effectively won multiple subsequent armed conflicts since 1948. As a result, the humiliating defeats suffered by Arabs at the hands of Israel have taken root in the Palestinians" historical memories. This has even further increased the pressures of the ongoing Arab-Israeli Conflict.

In the decades following Israel"s founding, Palestinian resistance movements have expanded as a result of the Israel"s de-legitimization of Arab Palestinians. Many Palestinians feel as though they are considered "second-class citizens" by the Israeli government. By 1993, as The Road to Palestine[/i] was being filmed, Israel had continued deny the minority Palestinians the same rights and privileges afforded to Jews. Individuals and organizations within Palestinian society continued to protest their lack of self-determination and restricted access to healthcare, education, and other basic public services, often to no avail. As the IDF continued to occupy sections of the Palestinian Territories and regard Palestinians with suspicion and contempt, the feelings of disrespect and humiliation became unbearable to many Palestinians. As a result, the First Intifada, or Palestinian popular uprising, began in the years immediately prior to the filming of Beirut to Bosnia[/i], leading to another wave of bloodshed across the Holy Lands.

Francis" theory of unbalanced power (Ramsbotham 23) can be applied to model the asymmetrical nature of the Arab-Israeli Conflict. Arab Palestinians in particularly have perceived a great deal of systemic injustice and oppression at the hands of Jews/Israelis throughout much of the 20th century and beyond. As the influx of Jewish immigrants poured into what was Palestine during and after World War II, Arabs" conscientization of their repression began to take root in Palestinian culture and politics. When Israel finally declared its independence in 1948, Palestinians became convinced of the Jews" disregard for Arab self-determination. At this point, Arabs in and around the newly founded Jewish State began to mobilize resistance movements, including both Palestinian popular militia as well as national armies of surrounding Arab countries, namely Egypt, Iraq, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria.

This empowerment of Palestinians resistance fighters led to a bloody conflict that began with the Arab-Israeli War and which still persists to this day. As Arab frustration continue grows as a result of Israeli presences and policy, new generations of fighters are swept into the struggle for Palestinian liberation, resulting in the perpetual warfare observers can witness in and around Israel and the Palestinian territories.

Factors Leading to the Arab-Israeli Conflict

There are numerous factors that led to the outbreak and sustenance of the Arab-Israeli Conflict (Clemens 132). At the Individual Level, the aggressive tendencies of individuals from both the Israeli and the Palestinian factions contribute greatly to the continuation of war between the two. Many members of the younger generations of both groups in particular have been raised to view the opposing side with fear and distrust, further increasing the level of personal frustration and aggression. In addition, many Israeli Jews and Palestinian Muslims fervently believe that God recognizes their respective claims to superiority only, leading a number of people to wishful-thinking about their struggles and the justifications for them. This Weberian sense of legitimacy has empowered militants on both sides of the conflict for generations.

At the Societal Level, the culture of violence and assertive value-claiming of both Israelis and Palestinians have also fueled the ongoing hostilities. As many members of the two opposing groups are brutalized by life in a land that seen so much bloodshed, frustrated members of the public may resort to or otherwise support tit-for-tat violence that sometimes escalates the conflict exponentially. The resulting "us vs. them" mentality has fed this mutual aggression, leading to the perpetual cycles of violence so apparent in and around Israel. Furthermore, the cause of the Jewish State has unified many Israelis to oppose the Palestinians politically and militarily. Many Palestinians, on the other hand, regard the Israeli as foreign crusaders who have occupied and stolen their land from them. In the decades since the establishment of Israel, countless Arab Muslims have taken up arms against Israel in the name of Palestinian national liberation. And as each side vies for any advantage possible to achieve their respective goals, both Israeli and Palestinian leaders subscribe to Realpolitik, actively employing war to meet these goals.

Finally, at the Interstate Level, the inability of the United Nations (UN) effectively to limit the expansion of Israeli settlements, to block IDF military actions against targets outside of Israeli territory, or to curb the active Palestinian militancy has indirectly resulted in the enduring violent conflict witnessed in the film. Additionally, the Arab nations of Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon, and Syria have historically very strongly supported the drive for Palestinian statehood, and have accordingly contributed many political, financial, and material resources to various Palestinian militant organizations.

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Old 01-15-2009, 01:29 PM   #5
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DRT, GOOD!
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So Aught, in essence what your essay says is that Egypt and company are financing terrorism.
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Good for Israel. I find it hard to place a lot of credibility in anything the UN says.
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Old 01-16-2009, 07:59 PM   #8
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LOL, I'd say there's a big difference in Egypt's government today as opposed to '48, '67, or any other time before Mubarak's climb to power. Nowadays it's in Egypt national interest to keep terrorists down, as they've been doing for decades. Why do you think they've closed their border with Gaza since Fatah was pushed out?

Iran provides money, training,and weapons,and Syria provides a staging area and safe haven for Hamas. They actually provide all kinds of support, but those arethe main contributions of each. The Egyptian government, on the other hand, is scared ****less that the Muslim Brotherhood is going to seize power of the country. They're not willing to help out terrorists like they used to.
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The sooner HAMAS and HEZZBOLAH are destroyed the better.
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