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Old 12-16-2008, 07:46 AM   #1
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Liberal Governor, liberal Senators for decades, Votes for the liberal pres. candidate every year, liberal unions dominate industry... why hasn't Michigan flourished?
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Old 12-16-2008, 07:56 AM   #2
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Why did GM build a factory in Arlington, Texas, to build SUVs and trucks (I assume) such as the Chevrolet Suburban? Because Michigan has onerous laws and regulations that burden business; Texas has less onerous laws and regulations that are more friendly to business. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you were a business owner looking to expand and build, where would you build -- Michigan or Texas? If you were a young energetic person looking to start-up a new company, where would you set it up, Michigan or Texas? If you were graduating from college with a valuable degree, where would you set-up to work and live -- in high cost real-estate states with high state taxes such as Michigan, Illinois, California, Massachusetts, New York or in low cost real-estate states with no state income tax such as Texas? I pay zero state income tax in Texas. I pay zero sales tax on food in Texas. Our real-estate close to vibrant, diverse professional labor markets is very affordable (close --> 30 minute commute to work or less, affordable --> 2300 square foot house on a good sized lot in a good suburb with high quality schools and low crime less than $200 K). People figure this stuff out and move. I know lots of people who have moved from California, Illinois (me), New York, Massachusetts to Texas because it is a more favorable environment. I know lots of people, particularly, from New York who have this perspective. Many of these people were educated in New York state universities and have taken their educations out of the punative tax structures of New York state to the much more favorable tax structures of Texas.

States that disregard the mobility of businesses and highly educated citizens are making a bad bet on their future, in my opinion.
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Old 12-16-2008, 08:03 AM   #3
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Why did GM build a factory in Arlington, Texas, to build SUVs and trucks (I assume) such as the Chevrolet Suburban? Because Michigan has onerous laws and regulations that burden business; Texas has less onerous laws and regulations that are more friendly to business. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you were a business owner looking to expand and build, where would you build -- Michigan or Texas? If you were a young energetic person looking to start-up a new company, where would you set it up, Michigan or Texas? If you were graduating from college with a valuable degree, where would you set-up to work and live -- in high cost real-estate states with high state taxes such as Michigan, Illinois, California, Massachusetts, New York or in low cost real-estate states with no state income tax such as Texas? I pay zero state income tax in Texas. I pay zero sales tax on food in Texas. Our real-estate close to vibrant, diverse professional labor markets is very affordable (close --> 30 minute commute to work or less, affordable --> 2300 square foot house on a good sized lot in a good suburb with high quality schools and low crime less than $200 K). People figure this stuff out and move. I know lots of people who have moved from California, Illinois (me), New York, Massachusetts to Texas because it is a more favorable environment. I know lots of people, particularly, from New York who have this perspective. Many of these people were educated in New York state universities and have taken their educations out of the punative tax structures of New York state to the much more favorable tax structures of Texas.

States that disregard the mobility of businesses and highly educated citizens are making a bad bet on their future, in my opinion.
You make Texas sound pretty good. Maybe Burnie can tell my how teaching jobs are down there. My parents retired to New Mexico, so I'd be closer to them. I know the hunting is great down there...
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:38 AM   #4
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Why did GM build a factory in Arlington, Texas, to build SUVs and trucks (I assume) such as the Chevrolet Suburban? Because Michigan has onerous laws and regulations that burden business; Texas has less onerous laws and regulations that are more friendly to business. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out. If you were a business owner looking to expand and build, where would you build -- Michigan or Texas? If you were a young energetic person looking to start-up a new company, where would you set it up, Michigan or Texas? If you were graduating from college with a valuable degree, where would you set-up to work and live -- in high cost real-estate states with high state taxes such as Michigan, Illinois, California, Massachusetts, New York or in low cost real-estate states with no state income tax such as Texas? I pay zero state income tax in Texas. I pay zero sales tax on food in Texas. Our real-estate close to vibrant, diverse professional labor markets is very affordable (close --> 30 minute commute to work or less, affordable --> 2300 square foot house on a good sized lot in a good suburb with high quality schools and low crime less than $200 K). People figure this stuff out and move. I know lots of people who have moved from California, Illinois (me), New York, Massachusetts to Texas because it is a more favorable environment. I know lots of people, particularly, from New York who have this perspective. Many of these people were educated in New York state universities and have taken their educations out of the punative tax structures of New York state to the much more favorable tax structures of Texas.

States that disregard the mobility of businesses and highly educated citizens are making a bad bet on their future, in my opinion.
You make Texas sound pretty good. Maybe Burnie can tell my how teaching jobs are down there. My parents retired to New Mexico, so I'd be closer to them. I know the hunting is great down there...
Bush started our mess before he became president. Our education system sucks. Cookie cutter mandates that force teachers to teach to the lowest common denominator and berate teachers for lack of college success by the upper level. Pretty much has turned into a, "teach to the test" system. Im getting out. Ive had all I can stand. Ive fought it for over 15 years, I am done. Ive got some other things going, and if it all works out, Ill be out in two years. The buisness world is more kind and rewards hard work much more.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:39 AM   #5
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As for the hunting. It aint bad. Id be happy to set you up on a hunt or two.
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Old 12-16-2008, 09:41 AM   #6
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Same thing here.

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Old 12-16-2008, 09:45 AM   #7
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As for the hunting. It aint bad. Id be happy to set you up on a hunt or two.
Yep. Hunting is great. One of the guys in my office led his friend to this over the weekend:

The pic doesn't quite do the buck justice, as the shooter is 6'10"...


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You make Texas sound pretty good. Maybe Burnie can tell my how teaching jobs are down there. My parents retired to New Mexico, so I'd be closer to them. I know the hunting is great down there...
Texas has advantages, as I cited above. There are probably other states, too, that have at least some of these advantages -- favorable to business, good real-estate values, good job markets. No doubt I could earn a higher salary in Chicago, Boston, and/or San Jose, but that salary would not go nearly as far in those expensive places as my salary here in Texas. And the usual benchmarks that compare cost of living miss significant elements of the differences. For example, comparing median sized homes is not comparing apples to apples. You need to compare equal sized homes to equal sized homes, equal sized lots to equal sized lots, quality of schools to quality of schools, commuting distance to commuting distance to fully understand the differences. My main point is that people figure these things out and they selectively move to where things are better, or a significant number of businesses and skilled people do, and this progressively bleeds the states/nations that are oblivious to this function. What is the time period over which this happens? Not my expertize, I can't say. Are there offsetting considerations? No doubt. California is a beautiful place. But the underlying danger -- crippling your economy due to lame brained policy -- remains.
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You make Texas sound pretty good. Maybe Burnie can tell my how teaching jobs are down there. My parents retired to New Mexico, so I'd be closer to them. I know the hunting is great down there...
Texas has advantages, as I cited above. There are probably other states, too, that have at least some of these advantages -- favorable to business, good real-estate values, good job markets. No doubt I could earn a higher salary in Chicago, Boston, and/or San Jose, but that salary would not go nearly as far in those expensive places as my salary here in Texas. And the usual benchmarks that compare cost of living miss significant elements of the differences. For example, comparing median sized homes is not comparing apples to apples. You need to compare equal sized homes to equal sized homes, equal sized lots to equal sized lots, quality of schools to quality of schools, commuting distance to commuting distance to fully understand the differences. My main point is that people figure these things out and they selectively move to where things are better, or a significant number of businesses and skilled people do, and this progressively bleeds the states/nations that are oblivious to this function. What is the time period over which this happens? Not my expertize, I can't say. Are there offsetting considerations? No doubt. California is a beautiful place. But the underlying danger -- crippling your economy due to lame brained policy -- remains.
One of my closest high school friends has a job in Chicago. I would not want to go through what he did, just to buy a house. Ridiculous.
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I am ever amazed at the glaring truth that this countries(USA) most downtrodden, poverty stricken, disenfranchised, unemployed, non insured, illiterate, drug infested, ever longing for change, have had liberal democrat representation for years and years.

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