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Old 12-13-2008, 03:55 AM   #1
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Default What do you stand for?

I am curious, what are your belifes and which party/individual do you support?

I am still coming to grips with U.S politics, I find it interesting to keep up with and I am trying to figure out where I would stand.

What do the Dems and Reps believe in?

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Old 12-13-2008, 04:18 AM   #2
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What do the Dems and Reps believe in?

Democrat and Republican politicians in DC believe in representing the highest bidder.

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Old 12-13-2008, 05:10 AM   #3
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Are all reps anti abortion? Even ifa women needs one for medical reasons? Here people have choices and we're not so obsessed with religion like alot of folk i've met over there that scared me. Perhaps i was just given a bad impression of some but my line of thinking has changed.

I believethat people want tocondemn a womans right of abortion but within reason. Women that just get pregnant for being silly and willy nilly got and have abortions here there and everywhere is just plain immoral and wrong. However if its to do with medical reasons then i believe then thats an exception. There is no black or white which alot of people believe in. There are also grey areas.

The anti gay thing. Personally its not for me but im not gonna treat them with any less respect than other fellow Christians. I've seen better behaviour from some gays than i have from these Christians that treat them like dirt. It's also wrong. It's not what religion your apart of its whats inside you that counts.

These were the only 2 that I can think of that are the big debates, is that true? Or is there anything else?

Just giving my thoughts on it. I think both parties have good points but i dont like the extremes.


P.S I am all for the 2nd ammendment. I have guns here and im not willing to give them up for anyone. I dislike alot of government intrusion.

I also love my hunting and want to preserve it. It's very much apart of my life.



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Old 12-13-2008, 05:30 AM   #4
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Are all reps anti abortion? Even ifa women needs one for medical reasons?
There are never medical reasons for abortion. Your body isn't your property. The definition of property is the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing . Your body is the property of the government. Your not allow to sell any organs, enjoy whatever drugs you may wish to do so, when you die the government has ownership of your body until they choose to release it to your family.

I believe our government is the problem. It's 2/3rds too large. We have been sold down the road back in the 30's with FDR, who btw ran on cutting taxes instead did the exact oposite. Then in the 60's we did this stupid war on poverty. Trillions wasted and nothing to show for it. We now spend over 3.2 trillion on government and that will exceed 20% of our GDP. We also have folks believing it is their right to have health insurance instead of earning it. It's a very sad day that what has brought us to be this great nation is now being thrown under the bus for socialism.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'

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Old 12-13-2008, 05:42 AM   #5
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Then in the 60's we did this stupid war on poverty. Trillions wasted and nothing to show for it.

Do not forget the failed war on drugs andthewar on fear.
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Old 12-13-2008, 05:47 AM   #6
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Then in the 60's we did this stupid war on poverty. Trillions wasted and nothing to show for it.

Do not forget the failed war on drugs andthewar on fear.
I know thw war on drugs has been a failure but what's the war on fear? Doesn't that get rolled in with FDR's failed programs?
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Doesn't that get rolled in with FDR's failed programs?

AKA: The "war on terror."
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Doesn't that get rolled in with FDR's failed programs?

AKA: The "war on terror."
The war on terror hasn't been a failure. It's been quite successful. We have most senior leadership of Al Qaeda killed or captured. Whatever is left is stuck up in this remote mountainous region of Pakistan and being picked off every now and then. Where is the failure? Oh, that's right, you believe having them locked away is a bad thing and want to shut down gitmo and set them free. I understand your point.
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Old 12-13-2008, 06:07 AM   #9
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Are all reps anti abortion? Even ifa women needs one for medical reasons?
There are never medical reasons for abortion. Your body isn't your property. The definition of property is the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing . Your body is the property of the government. Your not allow to sell any organs, enjoy whatever drugs you may wish to do so, when you die the government has ownership of your body until they choose to release it to your family.

I believe our government is the problem. It's 2/3rds too large. We have been sold down the road back in the 30's with FDR, who btw ran on cutting taxes instead did the exact oposite. Then in the 60's we did this stupid war on poverty. Trillions wasted and nothing to show for it. We now spend over 3.2 trillion on government and that will exceed 20% of our GDP. We also have folks believing it is their right to have health insurance instead of earning it. It's a very sad day that what has brought us to be this great nation is now being thrown under the bus for socialism.
Hmm my government has been tightening up the regulations surrounding abortion because too many are just going for one because the never took precautions. I find that really stupid.

There is no way you can ever ban abortion. I'm now in the medical field and have read about women that have needed abortions due to complications, a government should only have a certain amount of control.

Socialism has its pros and cons like everything else i guess.
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There aren't really any hard and fast lines you can draw. Republicans tend to be more fiscally conservative in that they are somewhat less likely to promote social programs funded by tax increases to solve social problems.

Social conservatives, i. e. people who feel moral issues are important are more likely to vote Republican, although, once again, this is not guaranteed.

My opinions on homosexual behavior and abortion are based on biology, not religion. There are worse things one can do than engage in homosexual sex. Just don't try to tell me that you're "born that way." Anyone with a basic understanding of natural selection knows that's not possible except in extremely rare cases.

I was opposed to abortion before I ever became Catholic. My mother's parents threw her out of the house when she refused to abort me. (She was only 15 when I was born. The parents of one of her girlfriends took her in and brought her to Michigan when her dad was transferred here.) That littleorganism inside my mom was ME. If she had allowed me to be killed back then, it would be ME who would not be here. A baby is a human being from the moment it is conceived. You don't need a Bible to tell you that. All it takes is some basic knowledge of biology, a subject which is not well taught in our society.

Republicans are also more likely to favor the right to keep and bear arms guaranteed by the 2nd Amendment. I know in your country Sarah, those rights are severely restricted. You have grown used to them and have concluded that they are not objectionable. Many here feel the same way. But there are those of us who find those restrictions abhorrent. Those people are more likely to be Republicans.

As far as religion is concerned, many of the religious fundamentalists make me a bit nervous. Some of the people over on the religion forum are reluctant to classify Catholics as Christians. So I tend to sneak away when people start shouting "Amen."

Reading back over what I've posted, you could draw the conclusion that some issues are more important to me personally than others. That would be correct.

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