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Old 11-13-2008, 09:15 AM   #1
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http://finance.yahoo.com/tech-ticker/article/126117/Cost-of-the-Bailout-3.5T-So-Far-But-%27Real%27-Cost-May-Be-Much-Higher?tickers=AIG,FNM,FRE,XLF,%5eDJI,%5eGSPC,C


Bailout Price Tag: $3.5T So Far, But 'Real' Cost May Be Much HigherPosted Nov 12, 2008 10:16am EST by Aaron Task in Newsmakers, Recession, Banking
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While the government is clearly spending a lot of taxpayers' money to bail out financial firms, the tally is even bigger than most Americans (economists and pundits included) are probably aware or willing to admit.
The bailout bonanza has gotten so big and happened so fast it's the true cost often gets lost in the discussion. Maybe Hank Paulson and Ben Bernanke prefer it that way because the tally so far is nearly $3.5 trillion, and that's before a likely handout for the auto industry.
Yes, $3.45 trillion has already been spent, as Bailoutsleuth.com details:
[ul][*]$2T Emergency Fed Loans (the ones the Fed won't discuss, as detailed here)[*]$700B TARP (designed to buy bad debt, the fund is rapidly transforming as we'll discuss in an upcoming segment)[*]$300B Hope Now (the government's year-old attempt at mortgage workouts)[*]$200B Fannie/Freddie[*]$140B Tax Breaks for Banks (WaPo has the details)[*]$110B: AIG (with it's new deal this week, the big insurer got $40B of TARP money, plus $110B in other relief) [/ul]
Tallying up the "true" cost of the bailout is difficult, and won't be known for months if not years. But considering $3.5 trillion is about 25% of the U.S. economy ($13.8 trillion in 2007) and the U.S. deficit may hit $1 trillion in fiscal 2009, hyperinflation and/or sharply higher interest rates seem likely outcomes down the road.
At the very least, the possibility of the U.S. losing its vaunted Aaa credit rating -- which determines the Treasury's borrowing costs -- cannot be discounted.
Moody's has already said it's not in jeopardy of being lowered. But we really can't put much stock in what Moody's -- or S&P or Fitch -- say after the subprime debacle, can we? More importantly, the price of credit default swaps on U.S. government debt has been on the rise since the bailout train got rolling, as Barron's reports.
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Field Mouse, thanksfor the excellent post. Your post points outthe behind the scenes operations the fed is carrying out: Itis much more than the 850 billion congress appropriated.
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Old 11-13-2008, 10:22 AM   #3
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Detroit has now passed a resolution asking for 10 billion
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Now CA says that itmight need a federal loan. Taking careof a few millionillegals costs a lot of money.

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Old 11-13-2008, 01:48 PM   #5
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Obama, Mr. we only have one president at a time, is urging dems to give a 50 billion dollar bailout the the automotive unions, I mean companies. I guess January is too long to wait to start ruling, I mean governing.
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Someone desparately needs to cut the cord...[&o]
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They call this TRICKLE DOWN.

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Old 11-14-2008, 06:48 AM   #8
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I have see no Union responses offering to help w/ the crisis? It is estimated to be a pay increaseof $20-$30 per hour in the Union auto makers vs. the wages of the J-Word manufacturers in the US. And you wonder why we are watching the US Auto market fall into 2nd and 3rd place? I would like to make just the pay difference in my hourly wage!
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They call this TRICKLE DOWN.

MIKEVT - It is about time that someone starts governing. Look at what the lack of good leadership has done to our great country.

Yep, ole congress sure has led the way the past couple of years. Also, BHO would like to rule as he sees fit, not govern according to the constitution, which will be in shreds once he loads the benches with liberal judges.
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