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Old 11-11-2008, 10:55 PM   #1
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http://www.math.cornell.edu/~mec/Summer2008/anema/approval.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Range_voting

The best voting system is range voting. Instant run-off is a joke. I should have known since Obama supported IRV. I took it hook, line, and sinker. That doesn't happen that often though.

Evolution has been using this for over 40 million years. Who woulda thunk it?
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Old 11-11-2008, 11:30 PM   #2
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Anyone want to chime in?

It's the voting system, stupid.

Quit arguing about *****s.
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Old 11-12-2008, 05:17 AM   #3
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What's the difference between range voting and IRV? I thought they were pretty much the same thing.

I'm not much in favor of either. After standing in line waiting for people to choose one candidate or another, I can't imagine how long it would take some people to stand there and rank 5-6 candidates in order of preference.[:-]
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People already get confused on how to fill in a bubble completely or punch out a hole.....Do you really think they could handle all that?
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What's the difference between range voting and IRV? I thought they were pretty much the same thing.

I'm not much in favor of either. After standing in line waiting for people to choose one candidate or another, I can't imagine how long it would take some people to stand there and rank 5-6 candidates in order of preference.Â*[:-]
Range voting allows you to assign a value, say between 0-99, or to not vote at all for a candidate. So take the last Presidential ballot, here's what I could have put.

Democratic - 10
Republican - 90
Libertarian - 95
Constitution - 99
Green - 0
Independent - (no vote)

I don't know the independent candidates position, so I don't assign a value. That prevents ignorance from propelling anyone to power. I don't like the Democrats, but I find them less reprehensible than the Greens, so they get 10 percent of a vote.

Here are some of the benefits from the wikipedia article

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Range voting satisfies the monotonicity criterion, i.e. raising your vote's score for a candidate can never hurt his chances of winning. Also, in range voting, casting a sincere vote can never result in a worse election winner (from your point of view) than if you had simply abstained from voting. Range voting passes the favorite betrayal criterion, meaning that it never gives voters an incentive to rate their favorite candidate lower than a candidate they like less. Range voting advocates contend that this is a good property, because it leads to higher average voter satisfaction when voters are honest, and still gives voters the choice to strategically lower their scores for less preferred candidates if they choose.
Basically it allows people to vote their conscious, while still voting strategically. You'd never again have to vote for the lesser of two evils, just because the guy you actually agree with has no chance of winning.
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Most folks don't even understand the electoral process as it stands. This would be even worse. I like the system, but we would have had to implement it 200 years ago when people were bright enough to grasp it. The idiocracy reigns supreme now.
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Old 11-12-2008, 07:13 AM   #7
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I get it. With range voting you assign a value to each candidate instead of ranking them in your order of choice in IRV. Kinda the same except different.

I can't really see it working. I've watched my wife trying to pick a tomato out of the bin at the grocery store.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:12 AM   #8
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I get it. With range voting you assign a value to each candidate instead of ranking them in your order of choice in IRV. Kinda the same except different.

I can't really see it working. I've watched my wife trying to pick a tomato out of the bin at the grocery store.

[8D]Okay seriously in some situations that would be me.

I think it would be frustring to a lot of people and they would find some way to mess it up, but to look atthe flipside, it may encourage more people to be educated on the canidates, and it would probably keep a few more people from voting because it is to much of a hassle. If that were the case I would maybe be willing to work harder at making choices in a timely manner. Maybe do my evaluation at home and then I would know about where I would rate them before I went to the booth.
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:20 AM   #9
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Anything beyond having people draw a circle around a picture of the candidate of their choice is asking for trouble.[]
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Old 11-12-2008, 10:44 AM   #10
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Interesting proposition, but you're overlooking onepolitically incorrectfact. Please keep in mind when proposing anything at all, that half the population has an IQ below average.

In fact, keeping that in mind willavoid those frequent threads on this forum where someone is asking "WHY DO PEOPLE........?"
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