Long term opinion

[glob3006]

While posting this I'd almost want to say that I'm preaching to the choir. But after reading some of the posts from the people who did vote forObama. Maybe that's not the case andMAYBE... they can understand the big picture and long termramifications of this election and why most gun owners adamantly opposed Mr. Obama.

The voting demographics in this country have now changed for the long term. The Democrats did an outstanding job of mobilizing newvoter's. These voter's were overwhelmingly youngurban voter's....... Not known for their support ofgun ownership or lifestyles outside of their ownvideo gameand computer driven what about me lifestyles.These first time voter's will be more at ease and more willing to vote in future elections.

Looking at an Electoral Collage map... One can see that the major urban areas by and large vote Democrat. From the people I've talked to on that side of the fence......The view is that Republicans are an old and out of touch party. Certainly there are Democrats that support gun ownership. But these "Blue Dogs" are slowly being pushed out by agenda drivin' Liberals.
These urban areas only continue growing.

Obama will get a pass for the first 4 years on the things that go wrong( It takes a long time to fix what The Bush admin. has done they'll say). He'll be praised for ANYTHING that goes right. This is not ONLY about gun rights. But that is a VERY important part of MY life.

So my feeling is that after 8 years. If the Republican party or another party can't get younger and brighter. We may be looking at a Democrat left vs. a Liberal left government possibly for the next 16 or more yrs.

It's not just the Presidency that was lost here. For the second cycle ....The left( Not Blue Dogs)has gained more seats in the House AND Senate. Align that with the Supreme Court appointees that are to come and ask yourself........Is thisREALLY the kind of change this country needed.

Change was NEEDED YES! But we may never get back home.

Bill

[falcon]

Excellent post. However, methinks younger and brighter should not be used in the same sentence as Republican politicians.

So my feeling is that after 8 years. If the Republican party or another party can't get younger and brighter. We may be looking at a Democrat left vs. a Liberal left government possibly for the next 16 or more yrs.

The Republican party has tore-invent itself if it is to be viable in the future.My gut feeling is that the Republican leadership believe that they have done nothing wrong. There is no talk of a Republican code ofethicswith respect to lobbyists and there is very little talk of changing anything. A few Republican congressmen like De Mint recognize the problembut they have very little traction.

The Republican party lost congress in 2006 because of the well publicized scandals involving "earmarks" and acceptance of "favors" from lobbyists. In the aftermath of those scandals the Republican leadershipdid not enact real lobbying reform. Boehner did not want lobbying reform and he fought Hastert on it. Boehner is famous for taking money from the tobacco and liquor lobby.

My gut feeling is that the Republican leadership will continue to claim that they have a monopoly onan elusive thing called "family values"and will do little or nothing else. They will continue to play a silly media blame game. They are blaming Palin for for single handedly trashing the McCain landslide.

[F3d]

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States; nor shall any State deprive any person of life, liberty, or property, without due process of law; nor deny to any person within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws.

The gay community is going to use this soon I bet.

[James B]

Not to worry, there are very very few real republicans that are spreading this crap about Palin. Just a few rotten stinking cowards who won't even use their real names.

[Lanse couche couche]

I've said it before and i will say it again. This election was the result of a "perfect storm" combinations of events/conditions that worked against the Republicans and worked for the Democrats. If Obama doespoorly, then thesame old Republicans with the exact same old messagewill come back into power. And the quickest way for Obama and the Dems to shoot themselves in the foot is to get bogged down in anti-gun legislation when they have come to power with the promise to deal with many, many other pressing issues.

[Phil from Maine]

I agree with you Lance on the perfect storm idea, but I also think the republicans saw this coming and got Palin on board for the purpose of being the fall guy/lady in this case. They needed someone to base an excuse on in order to distract the real reason behind it.. ThoughI do not feel Obama will do all that poorly but, as we all know time will tell the story..

[Lanse couche couche]

Phil,

Considering how poorly (comparatively speaking) the Republican campaign was handled, you are giving them way too much credit in terms of them planning Pailin as a FallGal.

[glob3006]

While it may be true that there are more pressing issues currently. The overall long term effects of the voting demographics IMO will have anegativelongterm effect on not onlygunownership in this country. But for other issueslike affirmative action.

This SHOULD be a nation of equal rights. Not of Special rights. The Heller case while landmark in the basic right....also left the door open to local "REASONABLE"restrictions.

Here's Obama's statement in part:

"I have always believed that the Second Amendment protects the right of individuals to bear arms, but I also identify with the need for crime-ravaged communities to save their children from the violence that plagues our streets through common-sense, effective safety measures. The Supreme Court has now endorsed that view, and while it ruled that the D.C. gun ban went too far, Justice Scalia himself acknowledged that this right is not absolute and subject to reasonable regulations enacted by local communities to keep their streets safe. Today's ruling, the first clear statement on this issue in 127 years, will provide much-needed guidance to local jurisdictions across the country.

Even as we elect an African-American to be President of this country.My state of Colorado (again showing that the dynamic has changed to the left of center).Failed topass an amendment ending Affirmative Action in this state.

What say YOU???

Bill

[CalHunter]

People who support a candidate tend to justify or ignore their inconsistent remarks just like they defend a friend or family member. It's human nature for us to want candidates to be more like "us." Candidates are aware of this phenomena and use opinion polls to tailor their message to be like the biggest group of "us" that they can stitch together and hopefully win.

Many gunowners who support Obama want to explain, minimize or even ignore his anti-gun beliefs and record. They want the "change" that he so eloquently talks about and are hoping he won't be able to implement much of his anti-gun policies and will focus on other weightier issues first. As Phil said, time will tell.

[muley699]

ORIGINAL: glob3006

While posting this I'd almost want to say that I'm preaching to the choir. But after reading some of the posts from the people who did vote forObama. Maybe that's not the case andMAYBE... they can understand the big picture and long termramifications of this election and why most gun owners adamantly opposed Mr. Obama.

The voting demographics in this country have now changed for the long term. The Democrats did an outstanding job of mobilizing newvoter's. These voter's were overwhelmingly youngurban voter's....... Not known for their support ofgun ownership or lifestyles outside of their ownvideo gameand computer driven what about me lifestyles.These first time voter's will be more at ease and more willing to vote in future elections.

Looking at an Electoral Collage map... One can see that the major urban areas by and large vote Democrat. From the people I've talked to on that side of the fence......The view is that Republicans are an old and out of touch party. Certainly there are Democrats that support gun ownership. But these "Blue Dogs" are slowly being pushed out by agenda drivin' Liberals.
These urban areas only continue growing.

Obama will get a pass for the first 4 years on the things that go wrong( It takes a long time to fix what The Bush admin. has done they'll say). He'll be praised for ANYTHING that goes right. This is not ONLY about gun rights. But that is a VERY important part of MY life.

So my feeling is that after 8 years. If the Republican party or another party can't get younger and brighter. We may be looking at a Democrat left vs. a Liberal left government possibly for the next 16 or more yrs.

It's not just the Presidency that was lost here. For the second cycle ....The left( Not Blue Dogs)has gained more seats in the House AND Senate. Align that with the Supreme Court appointees that are to come and ask yourself........Is thisREALLY the kind of change this country needed.

Change was NEEDED YES! But we may never get back home.

Bill

The democrats did an outstanding job mobilizing new voters? Where did you get that stat?