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Old 11-07-2008, 05:14 AM   #1
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Automakers Ask Congress for 'Immediate' Funding
Thursday, November 06, 2008


DETROIT " Detroit's automakers appealed to congressional leaders Thursday for $25 billion more in federal loans, low-interest emergency borrowing and a share of the Wall Street bailout to help rescue an ailing industry battered by the economic crisis.[/b][/ul]
The talks with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., came as General Motors Corp. and Ford Motor Co. were poised to announce billions more in losses and further job cuts Friday, and as GM's president for North America said the next 100 days would be critical for his company and the industry.
GM, Ford and Chrysler LLC pledged to work with the leaders "to ensure immediate and necessary funding to keep the auto industry viable and its transformation on track during this critical time," according to a GM statement.
Pelosi told reporters at the start of the meeting that the discussions would focus on "how we can work together to go forward to ensure the viability of that important industry, looking out for the taxpayer and looking out for the worker."
Later in the day she said: "It is essential that we preserve our manufacturing and technology base in this country. Today, the Democratic leadership discussed how to protect hundreds of thousands of workers and retirees, safeguard the interests of American taxpayers, and use cutting-edge technology to transform blue-collar jobs to green collar jobs for generations to come."


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[/align]GM said the additional federal support would allow "a competitive" auto industry "to contribute to our nation's economic revival." The executives, who were joined by the president of the United Auto Workers, declined comment to reporters between the private meetings.
They sought an additional $25 billion in federal loans for future health care payments for retirees. They also want lawmakers' help in winning access to the $700 billion financial bailout being run by the Treasury Department and to low-rate emergency borrowing from the Federal Reserve's discount window, used in normal times by banks.
The loans would help the companies make required payments to health care trust funds that were created as part of a 2007 labor deal.
Last month, Congress approved $25 billion in low-interest loans for domestic automakers and suppliers to retool plants to build fuel efficient vehicles. But congressional allies of the industry have said the money will not be available quickly enough to help.
Rep. John Dingell, D-Mich., a longtime advocate for the industry, said the meeting was productive but did not address the specifics of the industry's request.
"They're not seeking money just to spend it," he said. "They're seeking money to invest in jobs and opportunities for American workers and American industry.
U.S. auto sales declined to their lowest level in more than 17 years last month, leading some executives to predict dire consequences if the economy did not improve. The companies want Pelosi to included the new money in an economic aid plan if the House returns for a postelection session.
Alan Reuther, the UAW's legislative director, said the executives " Chrysler's Bob Nardelli, Ford's Alan Mulally and GM's Rick Wagoner " and union president Ron Gettelfinger came to Washington to make the case for more federal assistance "to help the companies through this severe economic credit crisis."
GM has talked to Cerberus Capital Management LP, the majority owner of Chrysler LLC, about acquiring Chrysler. GM reportedly is seeking Chrysler's $11 billion in cash and federal aid to make the deal happen.
Auto industry officials did not expect the companies to ask Pelosi for Congress' help in financing a merger. Gettelfinger has expressed concern that a GM acquisition of Chrysler would lead to massive job losses.
On the health care issue, Reuther said the companies are required to provide $15 billion to the fund in January 2010 and an additional $15 billion by 2012. He said $25 billion more from Congress would give the companies a better chance of immediately lining up other financing because most of the health care trust fund payments would have been covered.
President-elect Obama expressed support for an additional $25 billion in loans on the condition that the money would go toward helping the industry build fuel efficient cars. Obama has said he would meet with industry leaders and the UAW quickly to talk about helping automakers. A meeting has yet to be scheduled.



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[/align][/align][/align][/align]Open your wallets widefolks, this is just the first wave, the states with failing budgets and out of control spending are already in line. [:@]

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Old 11-07-2008, 06:09 AM   #2
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Go ahead and spank me . . . but I think this is throwing good money after bad. The US auto industry has shown itself over and over and over again to be uncompetitive. The US auto industry is not a national treasure, it is a business enterprise. Inefficient business enterprises must be competitive or die. End of story.

I have zero sympathy for auto industry workers who take it on the chin during a collapse or slow fall of the US auto industry. The writing has been on the wall AT LEAST since 1980. That is when it occured to me, as a pretty young and isolated person, that the automotive industry was a declining, dieing industry. There have been multiple confimations of that analysis along the way, incluidng Ross Perot's dance with GM during the mid 1980's (the top executives would rather buy out Perot's interest in GM, which they did, than face the music and be accountable). If you can't figure it out and take corrective action during that period of time, I guess you are just going to have to learn the hard way.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:19 AM   #3
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They gave 750 billion to the banks who caused this worldwidemeltdown.Might as wellgive a pittance to the US auto industry.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:27 AM   #4
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Oh well,


If we tolerated the $700+ billion for the Wallstreet bailout, seems pretty silly to get upset over a measley $25 billion for the Big 3 auto-makers.

Were still pissing away $5+ billion a month in Iraq and have been for years, at least a mere 5 months worth of Iraq salary might solidify some retirement benefits for AMERICAN workers when spent here at homerather than being doled out to regimes that don't like us and want us out.


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Old 11-07-2008, 06:30 AM   #5
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Oh well,


Were still pissing away $5+ billion a month in Iraq and have been for years, at least a mere 5 months worth of Iraq salary might solidify some retirement benefits for AMERICAN workers when spent here at homerather than being doled out to regimes that don't like us and want us out.

It is up to 12 Billion per month right now.
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Old 11-07-2008, 06:35 AM   #6
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Oh well,


Were still pissing away $5+ billion a month in Iraq and have been for years, at least a mere 5 months worth of Iraq salary might solidify some retirement benefits for AMERICAN workers when spent here at homerather than being doled out to regimes that don't like us and want us out.

It is up to 12 Billion per month right now.
Rooops!

Sorry, I goofed.

Oh well, that just makes it more justifiable to allow $25 billion in LOANS which is what the Prez and Congress are offering right?

At least the taxpayers might make some profit via interest payments over time on their money.

Most of what we spend in Iraq we will never get back anyway, and in the end they'll ask us to leave and end up hating America like they did before.


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Most of what we spend in Iraq we will never get back anyway, and in the end they'll ask us to leave and end up hating America like they did before.

You think so? What proof do you have that Iraqis hate America? CNN?

Sorry, I still get Christmas cards from Iraqis I met in 2003. They don't hate America. All you anti-Iraq people have plunged yourself into arguments like "WMD" and "Iraq didn't attack us"with no attention paid to regional dynamics, culture, and consequences. Instead, you've made it nothing more thanthe eye of your rage at President Bush.

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Old 11-07-2008, 07:24 AM   #8
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One of Obama"s promises was to pump tax dollars into the auto workers pension plans? He said it will be priority one. WTF. I hope this is one of the many promises he does not keep. Call me mean and ugly, but is this not a socialist tenet. Also, what about your pension plan? What about my pension plan? What about the auto workers jobs? Now for the golden question that not a single person has addressed with anything other than hope and change; Where is the money going to come fromto support all these grand promises? Pelosi was on T.V. last night saying that it would be crazy to raise taxes. So where is the money going to come from for all the programs Obama promised. We do not have enough rich people to pay the bill. I pray he doesn"t want to borrow from China. And before you Obamaites start crying, "Well Bush was a borrow and spend guy". What I have to say to that is, "true, didn"t you vote McCain out for being like Bush, why do you want to keep going down that road".
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One of Obama"s promises was to pump tax dollars into the auto workers pension plans? He said it will be priority one. WTF. I hope this is one of the many promises he does not keep. Call me mean and ugly, but is this not a socialist tenet. Also, what about your pension plan? What about my pension plan? What about the auto workers jobs? Now for the golden question that not a single person has addressed with anything other than hope and change; Where is the money going to come fromto support all these grand promises? Pelosi was on T.V. last night saying that it would be crazy to raise taxes. So where is the money going to come from for all the programs Obama promised. We do not have enough rich people to pay the bill. I pray he doesn"t want to borrow from China. And before you Obamaites start crying, "Well Bush was a borrow and spend guy". What I have to say to that is, "true, didn"t you vote McCain out for being like Bush, why do you want to keep going down that road".
Supposedly the $25 billion for the auto-makers will be in the form of LOANS, not grants, thus the taxpayer may make a profit over time on the interest as the money is paid back, if not and the automakers go belly up, the assets can be sold off and the taxpayers reimbursed as creditors of the loans.

Now the $700 billion for Wallstreet? I don't know if it is in the form of loans ornot.

Government helping and industry is not socialism, government owning and operating and industry after forcibly taking it over is socialism in my book.

Take the airline industry for a hypothetical -

If it went belly up and no airlines could operate for profit any more and they all filed bankruptcy and closed shop, if then the gov. came in and bought them up, re-opened them and allowed the people to have air travel again, I would NOT call that socialism.

Air travel is nec. and simply letting it "fade away" because of some fear of "socialism" would be the WRONG thing to do for America, economicly and politicly.

Now if the gov. came in a forcibly took over an industry while it was still viable - against the wishes of the company, that would be socialism to me.

National security issues are at play alsowhen keeping certain industries afloat.
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Most of what we spend in Iraq we will never get back anyway, and in the end they'll ask us to leave and end up hating America like they did before.

You think so? What proof do you have that Iraqis hate America? CNN?

Sorry, I still get Christmas cards from Iraqis I met in 2003. They don't hate America. All you anti-Iraq people have plunged yourself into arguments like "WMD" and "Iraq didn't attack us"with no attention paid to regional dynamics, culture, and consequences. Instead, you've made it nothing more thanthe eye of your rage at President Bush.

It's not about what's right, it's about what makesYOU feel good.


Right on HB,
And no thanks to the CNN flunkies Iraq is has turned into a success. Thanks for the post, because it is good to have some insight from someone who has been there and knows what is really going on. Maybe the cost (money and lives)would have been a lot less, and we could be finished sooner if half of the battle in Iraq was not being fought over here.

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