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Old 10-27-2008, 07:11 PM   #1
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A MINORITY VIEW
BY WALTER E. WILLIAMS
RELEASE: WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 22, 2008, AND THEREAFTER

Affordable Health Care

One of the campaign themes this election cycle is "affordable" health care. Shouldn't we ask ourselves whether we want the politicians who brought us the "affordable" housing, that created the current financial debacle, to now deliver us affordable health care? Shouldn't we also ask how things turned out in countries where there is socialized medicine?
The Vancouver, British Columbia-based Fraser Institute's annual publication, "Waiting Your Turn," reports that Canada's median waiting times from a patient's referral by a general practitioner to treatment by a specialist, depending on the procedure, averages from five to 40 weeks. The wait for diagnostics, such as MRI or CT, ranges between four and 28 weeks.
According to Michael Tanner's "The Grass Is Not Always Greener," in Cato Institute's Policy Analysis (March 18, 2008), the Mayo Clinic treats more than 7,000 foreign patients a year, the Cleveland Clinic 5,000, Johns Hopkins Hospital treats 6,000, and one out of three Canadian physicians send a patient to the U.S. for treatment each year. If socialized medicine is so great, why do Canadian physicians send patients to the U.S. and the Canadian government spends over $1 billion each year on health care in our country?
Britain's socialized system is no better. Currently, 750,000 Brits are awaiting hospital admission. Britain's National Health Services hopes to achieve an 18-week maximum wait from general practitioner to treatment, including all diagnostic tests, by the end of 2008. The delay in health care services is not only inconvenient, it's deadly. Both in Britain and Canada, many patients with diseases that are curable at the time of diagnosis become incurable by the time of treatment or patients become too weak for the surgical procedure. British Prime Minister Gordon Brown plans to introduce a "constitution" setting out the rights and responsibilities of its health care system. According to a report in the Telegraph (02/01/2008), "What this (Gordon Brown's plan) seems to amount to in practice are the Government's rights to refuse treatment, and the patient's responsibilities to live up to what the state decides are model standards." That means people who have unhealthy habits such as smoking, heart sufferers who are obese or those who fall ill because of failure to take regular exercise might be refused medical care, even though they pay taxes to support government health care.
Government health care can become ghoulish as reported in a Human Events (1/17/08) article "Gordon Brown Wants Your Organs" written by Susan Easton. As in the U.S., many Brits die while on the waiting list for organ donations. The prime minister has a solution called a "Presumed Consent Scheme." Mrs. Easton says, "If you don't specifically carry a card saying 'leave my corpse alone' -- known as the 'opt out option', or unless one's family is on hand to object, one's remains are considered fair game for an organ harvest festival." Supporters of the scheme argue that what is done with people's organs after their death should not be up to the next of kin. Such a vision differs little from one that holds that after one's death he becomes the property of the state.
Of course, if socialized medicine becomes a reality here, Americans can do as many Brits do. Mrs. Easton says, "more than 70,000 Britons -- known as 'health tourists' -- have gone as far as India, Malaysia and South Africa for major operations. This figure is expected to rise to almost 200,000 by the end of the decade."
We have health care problems in the U.S. but it's not because ours is a free market system of health care delivery. Well over 50 percent of all health care expenditures are made by government. Where government spends, government regulates. It's truly amazing that Americans who are dissatisfied with the current level of socialized medicine in the U.S. are asking for more of what created the problem in the first place. Anyone thinking that an American version of socialized health care will differ from that found in Canada, Britain, Sweden, France and elsewhere are whistling Dixie.
Walter E. Williams is a professor of economics at George Mason University. To find out more about Walter E. Williams and read features by other Creators Syndicate writers and cartoonists, visit the Creators Syndicate Web page at www.creators.com.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:24 PM   #2
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Thank you for posting this but there are too many foolish people out there who will vote for Obama. It is really sad that most dont do their homework before voting for someone. I dont plan on giving up any of my freedom any time soon so McCain will receive my vote. God willing this Socialist maniac and his wife wont win in a few weeks.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:44 PM   #3
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I think the problem you will find is the cost of healthcare here is unreal. Everytime we go to a doctor or ER room for treatment the insurance company will send you what is paid and what is not paid such as you deductable or what have you. Then you will have another remark stating that the amount charged is above what is covered for your area. That doesn't matter where you go to the doctor's office or ER for treatment. It also applies to hostpital stays and all. The rates for insurance is out of hand as well.. To say what is being said by your quote is true to some extent though not in it's entirety. My wife had to go to Canada quite some time ago to battle cancer and the doctor thier was better than here. Fortunately she won on that one and didn't have to much of a problem getting in there either. Though she does have 3 sisters that live in Canada that also has had better luck than what you are discribing here. They have gone threw treatment pretty easily as well and one of them was treated for Cancer. So far so good on her part as well but it will take a while to make sure it doesn't come back. So I have to disagree with that report to some extent. Though there is some casesI am aware of that the waiting time has been ungodly that is for sure. It also never stated the fact that companies that offer thier insurance to it's workers over there pay a much less insurance premium than those over here as well.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:53 PM   #4
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First off phil, those times are averages. Secondly, the leading advocate for the Canadian system traveled to America when she had Breat Cancer.

Here is a fact you probably don't know. I'm not allowed to freely go into the hospital biz. Let's say I want to build a 100 to 500 room recovering/hospital. I'm not allowed. My state takes years to decide how many beds should be here in my state and if they come up short, they open it up for bidding to raise the cost. Hmm there is truth in the statement that government add 1/2 trillion to the bottom line of healthcare.
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Old 10-27-2008, 07:59 PM   #5
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First off phil, those times are averages. Secondly, the leading advocate for the Canadian system traveled to America when she had Breat Cancer.

Here is a fact you probably don't know. I'm not allowed to freely go into the hospital biz. Let's say I want to build a 100 to 500 room recovering/hospital. I'm not allowed. My state takes years to decide how many beds should be here in my state and if they come up short, they open it up for bidding to raise the cost. Hmm there is truth in the statement that government add 1/2 trillion to the bottom line of healthcare.
I can not dispute you on this part of it.. But we do not have one yet and if we do does it mean that it will be exactly the same as in Canada? I do not think so, so it is more of a wait and see approach right now..
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Old 10-27-2008, 08:04 PM   #6
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The government bankrupted Social Security. They made these great "housing projects" in cities. They screwed up the lending industry. How can anyone trust them to run a good health care system?
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If everyone who received health care, paid for health care , the cost would go down so much ,we wouldnt even need insurance.
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Old 10-27-2008, 09:53 PM   #8
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If peoplel think the cost of health care is high now, just wait until it's free..
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Old 10-27-2008, 10:17 PM   #9
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I will take McCains 5000 tax credit any day overObama's plan,being how I pay just under a grand a month for a family offour I can take that credit at the end of the yr thus redusing my taxable incomeby 5 grand then if he ups my child tax credit for two children and I aply that to my taxable income I would get a reallynice tax return and thats way more then obama would or can do for me plus my free speech is still free my guns are still mine and my home will allways be my home and WE THE PEOPLE will still mean WE THE PEOPLE.........
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there is no Right to health care



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