So now we have been told by one of the top experts on American usage what many knew all along: the Constitution of the United States unconditionally protects the people's right to keep and bear arms, forbidding all governments formed under the Constitution from abridging that right.
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RE: What does the 2nd Amendment REALLY mean? (Interesting study)
I couldnt get the link to work ,it timed out. However without even reading the link the author is absolutely right. Cannot believe anyone that cannot see this as being absolute. I was really disappointed in the SCOTUS's last decision. Even though the majority struck down the DC gun ban the vote was only 5-4. The vote by any rational thinking person should have been 9-0.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here, just to read any follow-up discussion. Just what should be considered "arms?"
Any handgun, shotgun, or rifle? How about grenades, RPG's and shoulder fired missiles? How about armed artillary, tanks, planes,a and war ships? How about nuclear devices? These are all arms. Aren't they permitted? If not, then they are banned, right? If Banning is OK, then why are city gun bans unconstitutional? Just where does the slope become too slippery?
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To me it means that the govt cant take away our right to bear arms. If the people fall under a tryant then they have the means to overthrow the Govt and restore democracy. Our founding Fathers knew that the people needed to protect their right to keep firearms to protect their families, homes and other property and ultimately protect themselves against the govt incase a nutjob socialist like Obama gets into office. I am so happy that the Suprmem Court finally ruled on the 2nd ammendment and said that it will never be messed with.
Here lies the problem...Each state can make law to determine what type of person can have a firearm. In many cases and states you have to jump thru a few hoops to purchase even the most basic firearms such as shotguns and rifles. Now a well regulated mititia in todays terms means the National Guard and who controls that? BINGO the Govt so how in the hell will the people be able to take control back from the govt if it turns into a dictatorship or some other un democratic Govt? You cant and thats why these liberals ie. Socialists want gun control and eventually a full weapons ban. You cant institute a socialist govt with armed people walking around right? Wake up people! Do your homework and read up on this stuff. Its all over the internet. Stay informed and dont let your freedom fall to these crazy groups. I'm just saying what the media doesnt have the bawls to say.
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To me it means that the govt cant take away our right to bear arms. If the people fall under a tryant then they have the means to overthrow the Govt and restore democracy. Our founding Fathers knew that the people needed to protect their right to keep firearms to protect their families, homes and other property and ultimately protect themselves against the govt incase a nutjob socialist like Obama gets into office. I am so happy that the Suprmem Court finally ruled on the 2nd ammendment and said that it will never be messed with.
I completely agree. Well said.
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Here lies the problem...Each state can make law to determine what type of person can have a firearm. In many cases and states you have to jump thru a few hoops to purchase even the most basic firearms such as shotguns and rifles. Now a well regulated mititia in todays terms means the National Guard and who controls that? BINGO the Govt
And here's where we enter a time-honored never-ending debate. What does the 2nd mean with regard to "militia"? Lingusts argue that the 2nd was written for military use regarding arming, whereas non-linguists argue that militia means the people, the public, citizens. The right to bear arms therefore means for the people (non-military).
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Actually it is all very simple. It says "The right of the PEOPLE".Where ever this is said in the constitution it is refering to the people of the US not government becuase the governments dont have rights given to them , only people have rights given to them.
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I'm going to play devil's advocate here, just to read any follow-up discussion. Just what should be considered "arms?" Any handgun, shotgun, or rifle? How about grenades, RPG's and shoulder fired missiles? How about armed artillary, tanks, planes,a and war ships? How about nuclear devices? These are all arms. Aren't they permitted? If not, then they are banned, right? If Banning is OK, then why are city gun bans unconstitutional? Just where does the slope become too slippery?
Certainly is a very good question. Arms in the days of the founding fathers were muzzleloading, single shot weapons. Would they have written up the same amendment today with todays weaponry? I sort of doubt it, or at least would have been way more specific than they were in the writing of the amendment. Even the conservative judges in the Heller decision stated that an outright ban may be unconstitutional, but restrictions and regulations are understandable in the current world we live in. In my mind this leaves plenty room for all sorts of restrictions anyway. Just shows that most people today, even the supreme court judges don't exactly see the 2nd amendment as a right for anyone to own any type of weapons they want. In the future I think there will be even fewer people and judges who will think so.
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Arms are weapons and people have a right to them. The document makes no mention of rate of fire, caliber, magazine size, grip, or any of the other things restricted by the anti-gun lobby.
Bottom line is, if they want to regulate guns, they need to amend the Constitution, not ignore it.
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If Obama gets in we will be on the start of losing our gun. See the 2nd Amendment does not say he cannot Tax you guns and your ammo to the point you will never be able to afford a gun or to use one to go Hunting.
Obama knows how much the American people just love to pay taxes. And by knowing that he knows the people will stop buying guns and ammo at that point he can do whatever He would like to do to the 2nd Amendment and what he thinks the American people will just hand over their rights to their guns and then you can say By By to the 2nd Amendment
What does the 2nd Amendment REALLY mean? (Interesting study)
