Election will be won/lost because of money (not campain money)
A recent poll suggested that well over 65% of people thought that the most important issue in this election is the economy. The same poll said that only 6% of people thought that morals/ethics were important.
My God. No wonder the Bible states that "You can't serve God and Money" and "The love of money is the root of all evil".
Believe me when I say that I do care about my retirement. I do want to be able to retire before I die. I would love to be able to travel with my family. Buy some toys. Spend some of my time in the woods with a new bow or rifle. Basically have some of my hard work payoff.
But at what cost? Am I willing to sacrafice some of that to live in a country where the majority of it's citizens care at least a little bit about morals? Ethics? You bet I am.
Am I saying that McCain and/or Palin are the ultimate answer to all of our problems. Hardly. In fact, I have found myself many times wondering how BOTH of these candidates are the best these parties have to offer.
But in the end, there are several questions that I have to ask myself when it comes to who I vote for.
1) Do I want to continue to be able to preach in my church about all topics including those that would be labeled as hate speech by certain Left wing liberals? (topics such as homosexuality, marriages, etc)
2) Do I care about the sanctity of Marriage?
3) Do I care about the sanctity of Life?
4) Do I care about the ability to be able to protect my family in my home with the weapon of my choice? Be it a handgun, rifle, or whatever.
Notice that none of my questions (and these aren't all of them by any means) have nothing to do with the size of my wallet.
And regardless of what Obama says, each of these 4 issues above will be in jeopardy if he gets elected into office. What little record he has, as well as his interviews and speeches (outside of the debates where it was just talking point after talking point for both candidates) show that these issues are just as important to him as they are to me. The difference is that he will take the opposite position than me on each of them.
My whole point of this thread is to say this. PLEASE don't let this election come down to your pocket book. Our economy has ups and downs. It does it naturally as well as with the help of morons on both sides of capitol hill. But it will come back up regardless of who is in the White House.
I don't know what issues are important to you. They may be totally different from those that I've listed that are mine. I respect that. You have a right to whatever opinion you have. Thank God for the First amendment.
But I'm just asking that no one let the issue come down to money.
I wish that people on both sides could see clearly to see where our country is right now and where it is heading because of the downward spiral of our countries morals and ethics. Politicians on both sides are continually being exposed having affairs, embezzeling money, taking bribes, etc.
I would hope that at some point, we would realize that what has been happening for the last several decades isn't working and that we could start making a move back to let morals be something that guides us in our decision making rather than how much green we have in our bank account.
I believe that our country (as a whole and not so much individuals) is on the brink of selling it's soul because of the mighty dollar. Of course it's not as mighty as it was.
Believe whatever way you want, but don't let money be your guiding light.
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1) Do I want to continue to be able to preach in my church about all topics including those that would be labeled as hate speech by certain Left wing liberals? (topics such as homosexuality, marriages, etc)
It has already been labled as hate speech by those people,if they try and arresst a preacher for speaking out against those things I would stand with you, you have the right to belive what you want.
2) Do I care about the sanctity of Marriage?
Really don't see how allowing gays to have a civil cermony will hurt the sanctity of marriage,especially with the divorce rates in the bible belt. States issue not a federal one. This has been used as a weapon of mass distraction by the Republicans for too long.
3) Do I care about the sanctity of Life?
States issue, and as we have seen who nominates the judges doesn't have alot to do with how they vote. Also the ones that are ready t retire are more liberal already, so how will it swing the court?
4) Do I care about the ability to be able to protect my family in my home with the weapon of my choice? Be it a handgun, rifle, or whatever.
Yes I do.
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I wish that people on both sides could see clearly to see where our country is right now and where it is heading because of the downward spiral of our countries morals and ethics. Politicians on both sides are continually being exposed having affairs, embezzeling money, taking bribes, etc.
That changed when? There have always been corrupt politicians.
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RE: Election will be won/lost because of money (not campain money)
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Am I way off here?
not if you're of a conservative mind .... if you're a Liberal/Soaclist minded person you're WAY off
I spent all weekend with a Liberal - he truly believes its my responsibility to use my earned money and to take it away from my family to give it to, and to support those who won't support themselves, which is really the core of the differnces in us
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Your request comes in the wake of one of the worst financial disasters in American history.
hey, long term baby, remember? it'll all come back, no problem, no guessing, its a guaranteed thing, right VC ? big strong ecnomony is what ya'll have been trumping for months .... LOL .......
RE: Election will be won/lost because of money (not campain money)
1) Do I want to continue to be able to preach in my church about all topics including those that would be labeled as hate speech by certain Left wing liberals? (topics such as homosexuality, marriages, etc). Absolutely and I will continue to do so no matter who is elected. The WORLD has already labled true Christians as preaching hate speech whenever issues involving homosexuality are brought up and opposed. Obama's election won't change that one way or the other. Additionally, alot of this happend under our current presidents watch.
2) Do I care about the sanctity of Marriage? Again, absolutely. But do you think a McCain/Palinwin will in someway stop the downward spiral that our nation is headed as it applies to morality?
3) Do I care about the sanctity of Life? Again, absolutely. But I don't choose my candidates based solely on this issue. Not to make light of the subject but even many conservative politicians skirt this issue by passing it on to the perspective states. At one point in my lifeIchose my candidatesstrictly on this issue but now I realize that there's alot more to being a Christian than opposting abortion. Personally I think that the republican party has "played" many Christians in this area in an attempt to secure the Christian vote.
4) Do I care about the ability to be able to protect my family in my home with the weapon of my choice? Be it a handgun, rifle, or whatever. Absolutely, and that will continue. That's why we have a constitution.
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RE: Election will be won/lost because of money (not campain money)
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1) Do I want to continue to be able to preach in my church about all topics including those that would be labeled as hate speech by certain Left wing liberals? (topics such as homosexuality, marriages, etc). Absolutely and I will continue to do so no matter who is elected. The WORLD has already labled true Christians as preaching hate speech whenever issues involving homosexuality are brought up and opposed. Obama's election won't change that one way or the other. Additionally, alot of this happend under our current presidents watch.
2) Do I care about the sanctity of Marriage? Again, absolutely. But do you think a McCain/Palinwin will in someway stop the downward spiral that our nation is headed as it applies to morality?
3) Do I care about the sanctity of Life? Again, absolutely. But I don't choose my candidates based solely on this issue. Not to make light of the subject but even many conservative politicians skirt this issue by passing it on to the perspective states. At one point in my lifeIchose my candidatesstrictly on this issue but now I realize that there's alot more to being a Christian than opposting abortion. Personally I think that the republican party has "played" many Christians in this area in an attempt to secure the Christian vote.
4) Do I care about the ability to be able to protect my family in my home with the weapon of my choice? Be it a handgun, rifle, or whatever. Absolutely, and that will continue. That's why we have a constitution.
You make some good points but.....don't think for a minute that if Obama is elected he won't tamper with the second amendment. After all should'nt the constitution have protected your right to free speech when preaching in the church?
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hey, long term baby, remember? it'll all come back, no problem, no guessing, its a guaranteed thing, right VC ? big strong ecnomony is what ya'll have been trumping for months .... LOL .......
Ah, good, more from HuntingNet's answer to Jed Clampett.
Although I never said anything was guaranteed, I'll oblige your desire to be humiliated again." Although our economy is relatively one of the biggest and strongest on the planet, it is not immune to all things, and I never said it was. And yes, retirement planning is long term by its very nature. You state flatly that you have no retirement plan, yet you hope to provide expert "warnings" to all who do.
Let's see now...who was it that argued in favor of using stocks in social security programs? Why that was you, wasn't it. Stealthycat? And who argued against it because that because it defeats the primary mission of social security, hmmm? Lol, you may have a short memory, along with an obviously weak education, but not everyone on this board is the same.
But its good to see that you're still stinging from having had your ignorance highlighted by my skilled hands. Keep posting and I'll keep slapping you down. I will continue to remind everyone that you have zero credibility on matters financial because you live hand to mouth, have no savings to speak of, and admittedly struggle to put food on the table for your family. As a result, you are most likely on your way to being one of the next to be fed by the very same social programs you love to condemn...as you did in the same post, literally in the same breath.
Look at the bright side...if your family gets hungry enough, you can always proudly walk across your dirt and shoot some 'possums for Jethro and Ellie May, right?
*fade in theme from The Beverly Hillbillies...
Lol, you would be better off sticking to the things you know...like recipes for gopher guts stew, or maybe grits and crow.
Election will be won/lost because of money (not campain money)
