The Welfare State Defined!

[Fieldmouse]

This is from "Destroying Liberty"

http://www.gmu.edu/departments/economics/wew/articles/08/Destroying%20Liberty.htm

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Americans demand that Congress spend trillions of dollars on farm subsidies, business bailouts, education subsidies, Social Security, Medicare and prescription drugs and other elements of a welfare state. The problem is that Congress produces nothing. Whatever Congress wishes to give, it has to first take other people's money. Thus, at the root of the welfare state is the immorality of intimidation, threats and coercion backed up with the threat of violence by the agents of the U.S. Congress. In order for Congress to do what some Americans deem as good, it must first do evil. It must do that which if done privately would mean a jail sentence; namely, take the property of one American to give to another."

[mudhead1s wife]

call it taxes and it's justified. You know what I think is the funniest part of welfare, these politicians paying $100 for a plate of food, which we pay for and they cry that we need to give the poor more money because they are starving. And then those so called starving people are running around in name brand clothes, with cell phones.

I don't have a drug or drinking habit so why should I pay for someone else's habit?

I have no problem helping someone out but when they are going to the bar on my tab I have a problem with that. The second a person becomes comfortable with welfare the system has failed.

How do we fix it. If we spend a bit extra for now to pay people to monitor this stuff closer, the result will be less people on welfare. Vendorpay their bills instead of sending them money. If you're worried about them being responsible and paying their bills, mail them the checks allready filled out and let them mail them in. Hire social workers to actually do social work. Now adays they don't have time for people that actually want to get off welfare their case load is way to high.

[Fieldmouse]

How do we fix it.

Why not just cut them off?

[mudhead1s wife]

ORIGINAL: Fieldmouse

Why not just cut them off?

It'll never happen.Plus there are people who do need it. Sure it is probably only about 2% at most, but there are some there. Like I said if they need it I have no problem with it. But Ithink that more than welfare needsreform. A lot of the churches out there are not helping people out and I feel they should be. Our church has a policy but they do help. They will pay bills to the company,a member of the congregation will take you grocery shopping and the church reimburses. To many churches have a tendancy to not help because they don't want them spending it on drugs alcohol and junk food, and they aren'twilling to do the bit extra to help without being taken for fools.

I don't agree with how they manage these programs but here are a few that I would keep

Energy assistance
food support -no soda and junkfood. It should be more like WIC where they give out vouchers.
vendor pay for bills-no call waiting, cable, cells, ect. necessities only

I don't know enough about health care to form an opinion of how that should be worked. I know they have Medical Assistance which pays your medical bills, they also have MN Care where you pay a small premium that goes off of your income with lower co-pays than that of private insurances. It is my understanding that they have now put a$3 co-pay on doc visits and prescriptions. Sounds like dental is fully covered though, MN Carecovers about what a private company does. Why the need for 2 programs?

[DougMD]

What about Obama's "economic justice?" Funny how his "justice" is simply stealing from someone to give to another.Isn't that "criminal?"

[mudhead1s wife]

ORIGINAL: DougMD

What about Obama's "economic justice?" Funny how his "justice" is simply stealing from someone to give to another.Isn't that "criminal?"

Yes stealing is wrong but the fact is welfare is not going anywhere. I believe people in general don't mind helping someone out but what the government is doing isn't doing anyone any favors. They are making one part of the population dependent on big government while the other part who pays for it hate the government. Growing up never heard grown upscomplaining about their taxes until things got so outof hand and everybody and their brother was on welfare.

Obama wouldn't know economics justice if it bit him in the butt. A lot of people don't or they just accept it. I would never voteDem for this reason. People gripe about the debt we'rein and blame it on Bush, well how much money is paid in welfare because of Clintons time in the White House. I walk into the County building and glance up to the welfare floor and it is flooded everytime I go to pay my property taxes or need to go in for license purposes that floor is jam packed[:'(]People have thrown their pride out on the way in.