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Old 10-08-2008, 11:45 AM   #1
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Default For those of you who think Obama will take your guns away...

Please go to this website and look at the video.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/imsm?source=sem-lb-google-con-sport-search-national&gclid=CPqopZ-XmJYCFReenAod7EOv7g


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Old 10-08-2008, 12:08 PM   #2
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Yeah, politicians always keep their campaign promises, don't they?

I'll go by actions over words at this point. And it's all relative anyway, isn't it? What exactly does "I won't take your guns away" mean? One thing we can look forward to early on in an Obama administration is a renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban. And, in fairness, there's a chance we'd see this renewal with McCain as president as well. So while Obama might not be "taking away" your AR-style guns per se, he is certainly preventing you from purchasing more. He said it was a "scandal" that Bush didn't reauthorize the AWB. And who's to say that the ban cannot be extended to ammunition as well, rendering the existing weapons useless? Obama has also stated his support for handgun bans in cities such as Chicago and D.C. Not to mention his work on the Joyce Foundation, which (during his tenure) had a rather unique way of tackling any advantage gunowners might enjoy in the courts. You might want to read more on that particular foundation here: http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/obama-a...ond-amendment/

Let's make it clear: Barack Obama believes in the 2nd Amendment. But he always adds: "Just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it." Translation: Gun bans like those in Chicago are okay. Further translation: The 2nd Amendment guarantees Americans the right to keep and bear arms unless a state or municipality decides that they don't want citizens to keep and bear arms within their jurisdiction. What part of "shall not be infringed" do you think Obama has trouble comprehending? The 2nd Amendment is not a states rights issue. It's a Constitutional right.

Let's also not forget that in 1996, when he was running for state legislature in Illinois, he endorsed a total handgun ban in his home state. He later claimed that an aide filled out the questionaire instead of him, until documents were released that revealed that it was his handwriting. You might want to surf over to FactCheck.Com for more on that one. Specifically, to a question that asked him: "Do you support state legislation to ban the manufacture, sale and possession of handguns," Obama wrote, "Yes." Asked the same question about assault rifles, he wrote, "Yes." So, we can gather from this that Obama has at least at one point in his political career supported measures that go far above the original AWB. Perhaps under an Obama administration we might see a version of the AWB passed that will force a round-up of existing assault weapons? That certainly is what he favored on the questionaire.

In 2000, Obama sponsored a bill in Illinois that would limit your purchase of handguns to one per month.

Let's also not forget that Obama is opposed to concealed carry, and has said that it makes our streets more dangerous. His exact quote is: "I am consistently on record and will continue to be on record as opposing concealed carry."

So when Obama says at the first of that video that he isn't going to take your shotgun, your rifle or your handgun, exactly what does he mean? That he isn't going to take those guns so long as they're pump-action shotguns, lever-action rifles and revolvers? Because in 1998 he stated his support for banning all semiautomatic weapons. That would include the shotgun I turkey hunt with and a handgun I hunt wild boar with. That doesn't sound like much of a friend to sportsmen to me.

Talk is cheap, my friend. Maybe he has reformed. But I'm not taking any chances. Not when he would have a Democratic Congress at his back with no checks & balances in place. And somehow I doubt he has reformed much, considering he was making anti-gun statements as early as the primary season last winter, before he became a nominee and had to start focusing on us small town folks who cling to our guns and religion because we're bitter.

Keep trying. I doubt you're going to convince many people here.
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:19 PM   #3
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Please go to this website and look at the video.

http://my.barackobama.com/page/content/imsm?source=sem-lb-google-con-sport-search-national&gclid=CPqopZ-XmJYCFReenAod7EOv7g


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Sorry, dude, but, anyone who doesn't think that Obama thinks it's OK to take guns is either stupid or not paying attention. He believed it was OK for D.C. and Chicago to ban handguns. He believes it's OK to prohibit law abiding citizens from owning semiautomatic rifles, which is a plank in the Democrat party's platform (Wasn't Biden one of the key guys behind the AWB?). Also, keep in mind that the SCOTUS has not yet applied the 2nd Amendment to the States, and it WILL NOT do so if Obama gets to stck the court with liberal judges. Note that 5 of the current judges are over 70 years of age.

Note also that the guy is a Harvard-educated lawyer. He knows the meanings of the words he uses. So, when he says "I am not going to take away your guns" he is, in a strict sense, telling the truth. Of course he would not be taking them away personally. That might get a bit dangerous. He'll send out his "jack-booted thugs" to take care of taking them away...
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This must be the 300th or so thread in huntingnet concerning this subject..The need to delete these useless threads
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:39 PM   #5
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educate yourself on what Obama has DONE ... not what he says, actions speak louder than words and honestly, I'm tired of posting over and over the facts on Obama and his anti-gun views

there are going to be ignorant people that believe whatever they're told, I've come to accept that
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Old 10-08-2008, 12:43 PM   #6
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Same thing Fidel Castro told his people! .........."I will bring you change"...[:'(]
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:06 PM   #7
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He doesn't have to take our guns away to stop us from using them. He can and will tax ammunition and firearms so much that its going to be very expensive.
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Same thing Fidel Castro told his people! .........."I will bring you change"...[:'(]
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Old 10-08-2008, 01:30 PM   #9
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He doesn't have to take our guns away to stop us from using them. He can and will tax ammunition and firearms so much that its going to be very expensive.
Exactly, or he can sue mfg like colt (like he publically supported) and drive gun makers out of business.

What freakin amazes me is the bama supporters actually trying to make a case that bama is a supporter of the 2nd ammend. How stupid can someone be. We have the proof, you do not.

But everytime I bring up concealed carry or his support for sueing gun mfg'ers they clam up and run away.

I agree, he might not take away your bolt action rifles today. But he would in a second take away your AR-15's or a Tek9, or a mini14 if given half a chance. Then after that, he will push for enviromental cleanup of gun ranges, or even take a page out of handguncontrol inc and ban children from gun ranges, because they say the lead has made it dangerous, and then pull the california trick and ban all lead from bullets. Barnes would make a fortune. And you are silly enough to think they will stop there?
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I will be voting for McCain, but the preservation of gun rights is not at the top of my list of reasons for voting for him. We no doubt will have more gun laws in the future no matter who is elected. Have a few more school or public massacres with guns or have a big elected official gunned down and you will see guns restricted more than ever before no matter who is holding office. At the same time I don't buy into this scenario where people think guns will be confiscated from hunters or ammo banned that is used in hunting. NO way will that happen any time soon. Most states, even liberal ones like my own are trying to enroll and promote hunting with the growing wildlife populations. What is everyone going to hunt and effectively control these populations with? Sling shots, spears and bows only? I can see licensing and registration, but an outright ban of hunting weapons will not happen any time soon. Too much revenue for states would be lost if guns were banned and hunters could no longer hunt and we all know that money has a way of influencing most decisions.
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