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Old 10-04-2008, 04:24 AM   #1
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Default I call it as I see it.

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When it comes to solutions, I think the closing statements of the VP Debate told it all.

Palin said,by quoting Reagan, "Freedom is always one generation away from extinction, and we never pass freedom to our kids through our bloodstream." (Palin), and I think, that when it comes to long-term planning, long-term priorities, the Republican are victorious on the solution,because their focus is that of sacrifice for future generations, not short-term. That's one reason I believe that John McCain had credibility when he said "the fundamentals of the economy, (the American workers), are strong", and I think that as long as that is strong, I believethat the U.S. economy will always have hope.


Joe Biden,emphasized the current crisis we're in during his closing statement, and he was talking about why Barack Obama and Biden are running, to re-establish the middle class, but what next? There's a gap here, and I think, that when it comes to short-term, the Democrats will almost always, if not always win.

I think the long-term is more worth it, though, because that's what people will remember, more than the short-term crisis' they faced in life.


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Old 10-04-2008, 04:34 AM   #2
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by the way, just to put it in context, that reagan quote was taken from a talk reagan gave in opposition that that vilest example of anti-freedom, procommunist, namby-pamby programs:



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Which, in this election, you've just made it all the more pertinent.



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When it comes to solutions, I think the closing statements of the VP Debate told it all.

Palin said,by quoting Reagan, "Freedom is always one generation away from extinction, and we never pass freedom to our kids through our bloodstream." (Palin), and I think, that when it comes to long-term planning, long-term priorities, the Republican are victorious on the solution,because their focus is that of sacrifice for future generations, not short-term. That's one reason I believe that John McCain had credibility when he said "the fundamentals of the economy, (the American workers), are strong", and I think that as long as that is strong, I believethat the U.S. economy will always have hope.


Joe Biden,emphasized the current crisis we're in during his closing statement, and he was talking about why Barack Obama and Biden are running, to re-establish the middle class, but what next? There's a gap here, and I think, that when it comes to short-term, the Democrats will almost always, if not always win.

I think the long-term is more worth it, though, because that's what people will remember, more than the short-term crisis' they faced in life.





Yeah, and people still remember the great depression and Herbert Hoover. I'm not waiting on any Republican policy to work, the Human body wont live that long..LMAPO
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Old 10-04-2008, 04:49 AM   #5
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Which, in this election, you've just made it all the more pertinent.



for the record, on a fundamental, philosophical level, i have no issue with the idea that we as a nation should provide health care for the elderly.
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Old 10-04-2008, 05:04 AM   #6
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There's a gap here, and I think, that when it comes to short-term, the Democrats will almost always, if not always win.

There is precedence to predict that folks remember in the long term. Thewarning signs of the great depression were there years before the stock market tanked in 1929.The congresses and the administrations of the 1920s hada laid back attitude anddid nothing.Hoover properly gets blamedfor the fact that his impotent administration did little or nothing for three years after the crash: Hoovershould not be blamed for the stock market crash that happened 8-9 months into his watch.

It was 20 years before another Republican sat in the white house. As soon as Eisenhower was elected he started whining about the the programs put in place by Roosevelt. He sat about trying to tear down the Veterans' Administration. He appointed General of the Armies Omar Bradleyto heada commissionchartered"study" the VA. Bradley concluded that folks should bedrafted and have no compensation for their war wounds and service to the nation in time of war.Veterans care during the Eisenhower administration was abysmal.

After thelatest round of bailouts and scandals it may be a very long time before another Republican sits in the white house.
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Old 10-04-2008, 07:37 AM   #7
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You mentioned issues with Hoover, Eisenhower,and Bush, but I somehow don't recall anyone saying that Wilson, Carter and Clinton were good for the long-term, either, especially in the field of economics.

What I don't like about Wilson was that he effectively destroyed the railroad industry, when the government basically confiscated them so that they could move troops around the nation to ports so they could get shipped off to Europe. After the war, they weren't handed back all the authority again, and to this day, the majority of railroads are either over-controlled by the government, orthey've been monopolized, and developing themfor more passenger usehas no profits in store for the companies, so all they do is ship coal and lumber,cars, etc. Now, we're addicted to the highways, even the unborn are,I mean, how do you getto the hospital? The highway is in there somewhere, I guarantee it. I never go out and drive without being on some highway somewhere, where the gas is more expensive, there's larger traffic jams, and they cost aridiculous amount of money to upkeep.
That,is a consequence, of higher taxes (Democrats, recently),building them in the first place(Republicans, 50 years ago), not restoring the railroads (Both, ever since 1917), andhaving bans on offshore drilling, making prices higher than they ought to be(Both, supported by Democrats, mainly,since.......forever).


Short term-planning is detrimental to the American infrastructure when there's no balance taken into account. I'd say just from off the top of my judgement, that 30% of the thought goes into the future of what a resolution is going to have an impact, and 40-55% (depending on theCongress)is given to short-term effects,and 10-15% (arguably,more), is given to thinking (more like actually saying and complaining in order to get the resolution passed) about how bad things are now.

What's wrong with this picture? The ratio is warped. I think that of all parties, Democrats are the most guilty of looking too much at how bad things are now, and it gives them that populist edge, stirring the emotions of the lawmakers, but it doesn't help anybody in the short-run, and certainly not in the long-run.

Then, people prioritize the short-term far too much, because they know that by the time the long-term effects are starting to kick in, their going to be in their second, possibly third, term. And if things don't go well in the short-term, they won't get re-elected, and then their successor will probably just undo whatever the guy before him did, because he's thinking about re-election already.

If this makes any sense to anybody, and if I didn't do a terrible job of explaining, then I hope you see how nearly impossible it is to do something for the good of the American people, without paying the price for it with your political blood, and it might just all be in vain. Or, someone else is going to get credit for what you did, and you'll never see office again.

People don't like Palin, because she has almost no understanding of the present term (if "present term" exists), and she doesn't meet the standard by legislative predecessors in executive races, for thinking about the short-term, but people like Palin, because she is different, in that she thinks for the long-term, her promises about "putting government on the side of the people" is no short-term solution, and neither is energy independence, both will take at least 20 years to acheive, as Joe Biden and Barack Obama would be quick to point out.

Inevitably, these races have impacts on the future, the long-term, but thisone will make a difference on the legal side, with possibly 3 Supreme Court justices going to be replaced in the next 8 years, if not more. That means the American voter has to also think about the long-term. How do they want the government to be almost irreplacably leaned towards? Absurd, mockable logic? Or most favorable realities that can be counted on for awhile, to each "bitter" American?


This race, is important for the long-term, the Democrats have a terrible focus, for the long-term, and I think that this election will set off a domino effect, either way. I hope Sarah Palin gets into the White House, because even though she's probably one of the worst short-term peolpe for the job, she's the winner to pick for the long term. That's my opinion,and that's where I'm going to stand, and I want to have that option, in the next election, to vote for that. I don't want to see anything else, if Palin isn't there, I'll be disappointed. Let's not dissapoint ourselves. That's my HOPE. Amen(So be it, that's all).
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America needs to be like that.Saavy????????
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What I don't like about Wilson was that he effectively destroyed the railroad industry, when the government basically confiscated them so that they could move troops around the nation to ports so they could get shipped off to Europe.
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1916 was a time of great labor unrest in the US. How did this act "destroy" the railways?


http://www.tjhsst.edu/~sgoswami/legislation.htm
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Adamson Railway Labor Act of 1916
What led up to this act?This act was passed to avert another railroad strike during WWI. What did this act entail? It provided the same pay for an 8 hour day as previously had been paid for a 10 hour day, and provided time and a half for overtime. The president was permitted to nationalize railroads in times of emergency. What were some of the consequences of this act? World War I brought federal control of the railroads and with it a surge in rail union power. During the twenty-six-month seizure, the director general and the various boards created to implement that seizure doubled union wages, permitted an unimpeded surge in union membership, and imposed costly work rules that at least in part continue in effect today.

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permitted an unimpeded surge in union membership, and imposed costly work rules that at least in part continue in effect today.
When's the last time you took the railroad? Unless you live somewhere on the Beltway or where the train runs across the major cities of the East Coast, probably not very often, didn't used to be that way, used to be people always took the trains, even at the advent of cars. It's a good type of transport, works in Europe where I'm currently at right now, it would do wonders for the Heartland.

Your quote runs in line with what I said earlier:

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orthey've been monopolized, and developing themfor more passenger usehas no profits in store for the companies, so all they do is ship coal and lumber,cars, etc.
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