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Old 09-27-2008, 04:56 AM   #1
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Thursday news sources announced with confidence that a deal was in hand. There was no deal. I read today that Nancy Pelosi and Barney Frank (two Democrat house leaders) say that a deal is near to hand, and the deal comprises substantially the Paulson plan -- which was the original plan that was not acceptable to House Republicans. I heard talk on National Public Radio about this topic yesterday, and they interviewed two people -- both Democrats. I'm getting the feeling that the press is deliberately stiffling the Republican voice on this important discussion. When I hearRepublicans talk about this on FOX -- Newt Gingrich and others -- it sure doesn't sound to me like they are on board with the Paulson plan (essentially give $700 B to the Treasurey Secretary to bestow upon faltering financial companies).

Does anyone else detect an odd "information control" happening in the mainstream media on this specific topic? I mean more than the usual bias and skew. Where are the Republican voices?

I heard an interesting vew voices on FOX last night to the extent that the Democrats are NOT going to pass this without Republican buy-in. It isn't that they don't have the votes, it is that they don't want to be held accountable for this huge give away of tax payer money. So, I'm guessing the Republicans see this and feel they wield some power in the shaping of this solution which is disproportionate to their minority status in congress.

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Old 09-27-2008, 05:52 AM   #2
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Just take a look at this e-mail I got from Huck PAC, a Mike Huckabee based organization.













Dear Huck PAC family,

I ask 2 things of you right now:
First, read this email completely. I"™m including my thoughts on the "śbailout bill,"ť and I believe you will find them of interest. Second, if you agree with what I have to say, support my efforts at Huck PAC so we"™ll continue to have a strong voice and we"™ll have the capacity to support conservative candidates all across the nation who will stand and fight for our conservative principles "¦ especially in times of crisis like we are facing as a nation today.
Frankly, I"™m disappointed and disgusted with my own Republican party as I watch them attempt to strong-arm a bailout of some of America"™s biggest corporations by asking the taxpayers to suck up the staggering results of the hubris, greed, and arrogance of those who sought to make a quick buck by throwing the dice. They lost, but want the rest of us to cover their bets so they won"™t be effected in their lavish lifestyles as they figure out how to spend their tens of millions and in some cases, hundreds of millions in bonuses and compensation which was their reward for not only sinking their companies, but basically doing the same to the entire American economy.
It"™s especially disconcerting to see the very people who pilloried me during the Presidential campaign for being a "śpopulist"ť and not "śunderstanding Wall Street"ť to now line up like thirsty dogs at the Washington, D. C. water dish, otherwise known as Congress, and plead for help. I thought these guys were the smartest people in America! I thought that taxpayers like you and I were similar to the people at the U. N. who have no translator speaking into their headset - that we just needed to trust those that I called the power bunch in the "śWall Street to Washington axis of power."ť
The idea of a government bailout in which we"™d entrust $700 billion to one man without Congressional oversight or accountability is absurd. My party or not, that is insanity and I believe unconstitutional.
Will there be far-reaching consequences without some intervention? Probably, but we honestly don"™t know since we"™ve really never seen this level of greed and stupidity all rolled into one massive move. But may I suggest that letting "śUncle Sugar"ť step in and bail out the billionaires who made the mess will be far worse and will start a long line of companies and individuals who will demand the same of the government---which last time I checked means that they will be demanding it out of YOU and ME. This is not money that Congress is risking from THEIR pockets or future, but ours. Many if not most of us have already experienced lost value on our homes, retirement accounts, and pensions. Now they"™d like for us to assume some further risks so they won"™t have to.
What happened to the "śfree market"ť idea? Is that only our view when we WIN and when we LOSE, we ask the government to come in and take away the pain?

If you are a small business owner, is this the way it works at your place? When you have a bad month, a bad year, or face having to close, can you go up to Congress and get them to write YOU a fat check to take away your risk?
Some of what contributed to this disaster is too much government in the form of Sarbanes/Oxley. Some is due to the tax structure that created the hunger for companies to "śgame"ť the system. Some is the common sense that was ignored like loaning money to people who can"™t pay it back.
Wall Street has become Las Vegas east, but at least in Vegas, people KNOW they are gambling and they don"™t expect the government to cover their losses at the tables. In Wall Street, they do. And the American taxpayer burdens the responsibility.
If Congress wants to do something, here are some suggestions:
1. Eliminate ALL capital gains taxes and taxes on savings and dividends right now. Free up the capital and encourage investment. This is the kind of economic stimulus the Fair Tax would bring and if Congress is going to lose money, let them lose it with lower taxes, not with public dollar bailouts of private market mistakes.
2. Repeal Sarbanes/Oxley. It has failed. It was supposed to prevent this. It didn"™t. Kill it.
3. Demand that the executives who steered their ships into the ground be forced to pay back the losses of their companies. Of course, they can"™t, so let them work and give back to the government and they can live like the people they put on the streets or kept there. It makes no sense to put them in jail"”that"™s just more they will cost you and me. I"™d rather them go out and earn money"”just not get to keep so much of it this time. I"™m not talking about limiting CEO salaries---just those of the people who now are up in Washington begging for help because they ruined their companies.
Attempts by Democrats and Republicans to blame each other is nonsense. They are both guilty and ought to own up and admit it. They all lived off big campaign contributions and the swill of the lobbyists who strong armed them into permission to steal. Enough of blame. Fix it!
This would be a start. If we don"™t hold these guys responsible, we are all finished.
Your support today will send a strong message to our Party Leadership in Washington that we are fed up with "śbusiness as usual!"ť And it will give us the resources to support strong conservative candidates who are campaigning hard for election this November. Those folk who share our beliefs and who will fight "¦not bail "¦ on our principles. Please make an immediate contribution of $25, $50, $75, $100 or more to help make certain that the "śbusiness as usual"ť of Washington politics stops in January.

Thank you for your continued support and God Bless

Mike Huckabee




You know, after reading this, my view of Mike Huckabee went down the toilet as far as his qualifications, because, this e-mail is causing a division inside the conservative base, and is uncalled for, I like Mike, but this is just stupid, there is no such thing, asa perfect bailout, or a perfect solution.

I was disgusted to see the House Republicans try to push some alternative legislation, because that's just a sign of over-partisanship, and how little the American public can trust the officials to not be political now, and act with what is necessary, so that we can avoid the second great depression. I'm not saying Mike Huckabee doesn't have a good point, in fact, on a normal day, I'd wholeheartedly agree with him, but this is unrealistic, it's as unrealistic as asking the Congress to ratify and adopt the FairTax right this second.

Now's not the time to whine and complain, even if the bailout sucks, because it can be fixed later, if the bailout isn't passed, then we're probably dead.

It's my automatic adrenaline on the issue, what do you guys think?
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Old 09-27-2008, 06:02 AM   #3
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Huckabee is dead right. Republican and Democrat political pukes lived off the filthylucre for decades.
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I voted for Huckabee in the primaries. Helluva lotta good it did.
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Old 09-27-2008, 11:28 AM   #5
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I was a huge supporter of Huckabee, so was my entire family, he did win the Tennessee Presidential Primary, now I just wish he kept his mouth shut on this issue, he just made himself look stupid and partisan here, right argument, wrong timing.
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Old 09-28-2008, 07:47 AM   #6
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I was a huge supporter of Huckabee, so was my entire family, he did win the Tennessee Presidential Primary, now I just wish he kept his mouth shut on this issue, he just made himself look stupid and partisan here, right argument, wrong timing.
Younggun308: I don't see what is here to change your opinion about Huckabee. I think you are misreading Huckabee's position on this.

Huckabee is not attacking solving or at least addressing the financial crisis, he is attacking one particular solution. Let's remember, it isn't the case that there is only one way to approach dealing with this problem. That is an illusion some people might like the public to embrace, but it is not true. Huckabee is attacking the "Paulson" plan. Lots of people besides Huckabee think this plan is absolutely friggin' crazy, the cure is worse than the disease. While not fully understanding the "Paulson plan" (has anyone seen the full text of this thing, I'm not talking about the sidebar in USA Today level of discussoin, I'm talking abou the actual language of the bill that would be passed?) fully, my understanding is that basically a lot of money is thrown at the problem with no requirement to repay or recover the money for the tax payer, it is controlled primarily at the discretion of the treasury secretary, and has little in the way of controls and regulations involved.

I think we do need to ask ourselvesk is the sky really going to fall if we don't stop, catch our breath, and think this thing through. I don't think Huckabee's article says NO action, or "you sure were dumb not to vote more for me and make me the Republican presidential candidate."
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Old 09-28-2008, 08:31 AM   #7
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The real question in all of this would be the details. Boortz had claimed that last weekend the dems threw in student loans, car loans and bad credit card debt. I guess this was what the meant by bailing out of main street.
The las big load of crap to hear coming from this deal was the steering of 20% of the profits to ACORN. Wow, sure lets keep a criminal organization in business.

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