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Old 09-19-2008, 07:55 AM   #1
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[/align][/align][/align][/align]http://www.ap.org][/url] [/align]McCain could be tougher than Bush with N. Korea



By FOSTER KLUG, Associated Press Writer 2 hours, 18 minutes ago
[/align][/align]WASHINGTON - President Bush seems certain to leave for his successor one of the most vexing issues of his presidency: how to rid North Korea of its nuclear weapons.


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[/align]But it is Barack Obama, the Democrat, not Bush's fellow Republican, John McCain, who is likely to follow Bush's approach more closely.
Like Bush, Obama has emphasized the need for multinational talks to persuade North Korea to give up its atomic program. McCain, while not suggesting an end to negotiations, has cast doubt on whether they can succeed and could bring a tougher tone to the often deadlocked, acrimonious international disarmament talks.


"More than Obama, McCain would rely on pressure"_ including the application of U.N. resolutions "” "to augment, not replace, diplomacy," said Bruce Klingner, an analyst at the conservative Heritage Foundation who is not affiliated with either campaign. McCain favors engagement over isolation, he said, but sees in the Bush approach "an overeagerness to reach an agreement at all costs."

Much about future U.S. policy on North Korea will depend on whether the six-nation disarmament talks result in the North giving up its nuclear bombs. As the November U.S. presidential election nears, the talks are stalled and on Friday, North Korea accused the U.S. of failing to fulfill its obligations and said it was preparing to restart its nuclear reactor.

Still, the current approach of face-to-face U.S.-North Korean talks within the framework of the international negotiations has led to the North to account for its nuclear activities and destroying its nuclear cooling tower. Because that progress gives the administration leave to keep an intense focus on the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the multinational negotiations probably will continue, barring a surprise diversion by the North.


Obama has regularly supported discussions with North Korea. Early in the presidential campaign, Obama said he would be willing to meet, without precondition, with North Korea's leader. His campaign later said such a meeting would come only after diplomatic spadework.
Hazel Smith, a professor at the University of Warwick, in Britain, who spent nearly two years working for the United Nations in North Korea, recently wrote that Obama seems to have fewer problems with adopting a Republican policy. "Ironically, it is Senator McCain who may likely want to repudiate the Bush administration's success in foreign policy," she said.


McCain has questioned North Korea's commitment "to verifiable denuclearization" and aligned himself with conservatives wary of a February 2007 nuclear deal with the North.
He also strongly criticized the Clinton administration's 1994 "Agreed Framework," where the North was to have received two light-water reactors in return for freezing its nuclear facilities. That accord fell apart in 2002, Bush's second year in office, after the United States claimed North Korea had embarked on a secret highly enriched uranium program.
Robert Gallucci, dean of Georgetown University's school of foreign service, was the lead U.S. negotiator in the 1994 agreement and now is an Obama adviser. He said he worried that McCain's skeptical "instincts" about the North would lead him to reject negotiation for "a much tougher, provocative approach, which I don't think will produce the outcome we want and runs the risk of another military engagement."

Seeking to distance himself from the Clinton administration, Bush took an initial hard-line stance on a country he called, in 2002, part of an "axis of evil" with Iran and Saddam Hussein's Iraq. After a 2006 North Korean nuclear test, the Bush administration turned to engagement.

Some conservatives who once cheered Bush's position on North Korea say the administration has since been quick to accommodate the North's demands when nuclear talks have become deadlocked. They strongly criticized Bush's decision to begin the process of removing Kim Jong Il's communist-led government from the State Department's list of state sponsors of terror after North Korea handed over its nuclear declaration.


The North has long coveted that, but the administration is refusing to finalize the move until Pyongyang agrees on a method for the West to verify the nuclear declaration.










This is somewhat interesting, I like this article.This is one thing that appears won't be "4 more years of Bush", actually, there is, Obama is 4 more years of Bush when it comes to North Korea, if this reporter's argument is true.
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:00 AM   #2
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How hard would that be? Bush has done virtually nothing to this part of the axis of evil.
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Old 09-19-2008, 10:19 AM   #3
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We cant back our words at this point. Bush got us over our heads, so he has no dogs in his corner when it comes to the Korean fight.
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Old 09-21-2008, 08:12 AM   #4
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I watcheda Fox interview of John Bolton about the rally kicking Sarah Palin off the list, and he was saying that there should be a major consideration of using military force, because the Europeans, who have negotiated with them (the Iranians), have accomplished the net value of Iran being 5 years closer to obtaining a nuclear weapon. Has anything REALLY been done? No, they're just stalling, and buying themselves time. If we go to war, no matter if we waited 30 years, the Germans would still think we were being too trigger-happy.

It's time to realize we've almost entirely exhausted our diplomatic alternatives, and not shy away from threatening military action. A convoy of U.S.-U.K. ships are headed to the Persian Gulf, and there's speculation that they might be there in case we have to establish a blockade, so that Iran will get almost no oil revenues, thus destroying their economy, and probably leading the Iranian people to overthrow their government, at least, that's what we're hoping. Anyway, I think Bolton hit it on the head, when he said that furtherdiplomacy is wasting time, on this situation.

I hope the right people get in office, not meetings without pre-conditions.
That'll be sad.
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Old 09-21-2008, 08:20 AM   #5
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We cant back our words at this point. Bush got us over our heads, so he has no dogs in his corner when it comes to the Korean fight.
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and probably leading the Iranian people to overthrow their government, at least, that's what we're hoping
Ain't going to work, ever. The US should have learned that from the Iraqi experience.It would cause the Iranians go rally around Ahmedjinadad.

Bush wussed around with North Korea just like Bubba Klinton did: NowNorth Korea is apparently in the hands of the hard line generals and they are friing up that reactor again. NK should have been nuked after the Pueblo crisis but LBJ did not have the guts to do it.

McCain can do no better with North Korea than his predecessors did.It istoo late to deal with NK on the ground. The US military is at its smallest since before WWII,is run to death, and has worn out equipment thanks to that little foray into Iraq.
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It's time to realize we've almost entirely exhausted our diplomatic alternatives, and not shy away from threatening military action.
We got N Korea to agree to dismantle their nuke program by promising to take them off the nations that support terror list and establishing normal relations. We had our people on the ground watching them blow up the cooling towers for that plant. Then we broke our promise and didn't do our part. If we won't live up to our word and honor our agreements, what the heck kind of idiot will negotiate with us?

I thought Bill Clinton was a liar supreme until we got Bush/Cheney. IMO, this is the most dishonorable, lying-est administration in my lifetime. Yep, even worse than Richard "I am not a crook" Nixon.

I am fully confident that McCain has the potential to be even worse.




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If we won't live up to our word and honor our agreements, what the heck kind of idiot will negotiate with us?
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Any countrythat depends on the wish-washy US to keep an agreement is nuts. This is especially true of those countries who assume that the US will help out when they are attacked. Just ask Georgia.
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Arthur, I was referring mainly to Iran, I heard that NK hadn't done something they had agreed to do, it was a several point process.
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Yeah, with NK it was several points on both sides. They did a point and waited for us to respond. We did nothing but tell them they had to do everything before we did our bit. They feel we violated the agreement and I can see why.

Iran isn't much different. I don't understand why we think not talking to them will solve anything. I mean, that's what we've done with Cuba and look how that's turned out. Of course, we've only been waiting 48 years under nine different administrations for the strategy to show results in Cuba. Does anyone think we can afford to wait half a century with Iran?
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