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Old 09-14-2008, 06:51 AM   #1
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Charlie Gibson's Gaffe


By Charles Krauthammer

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"At times visibly nervous . . . Ms. Palin most visibly stumbled when she was asked by Mr. Gibson if she agreed with the Bush doctrine. Ms. Palin did not seem to know what he was talking about. Mr. Gibson, sounding like an impatient teacher, informed her that it meant the right of 'anticipatory self-defense.' "

-- New York Times, Sept. 12
Informed her? Rubbish.
The New York Times got it wrong. And Charlie Gibson got it wrong.
There is no single meaning of the Bush doctrine. In fact, there have been four distinct meanings, each one succeeding another over the eight years of this administration -- and the one Charlie Gibson cited is not the one in common usage today. It is utterly different.

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He asked Palin, "Do you agree with the Bush doctrine?"
She responded, quite sensibly to a question that is ambiguous, "In what respect, Charlie?"
Sensing his "gotcha" moment, Gibson refused to tell her. After making her fish for the answer, Gibson grudgingly explained to the moose-hunting rube that the Bush doctrine "is that we have the right of anticipatory self-defense."
Wrong.
I know something about the subject because, as the Wikipedia entry on the Bush doctrine notes, I was the first to use the term. In the cover essay of the June 4, 2001, issue of the Weekly Standard entitled, "The Bush Doctrine: ABM, Kyoto, and the New American Unilateralism," I suggested that the Bush administration policies of unilaterally withdrawing from the ABM treaty and rejecting the Kyoto protocol, together with others, amounted to a radical change in foreign policy that should be called the Bush doctrine.
Then came 9/11, and that notion was immediately superseded by the advent of the war on terror. In his address to the joint session of Congress nine days after 9/11, President Bush declared: "Either you are with us or you are with the terrorists. From this day forward any nation that continues to harbor or support terrorism will be regarded by the United States as a hostile regime." This "with us or against us" policy regarding terror -- first deployed against Pakistan when Secretary of State Colin Powell gave President Musharraf that seven-point ultimatum to end support for the Taliban and support our attack on Afghanistan -- became the essence of the Bush doctrine.
Until Iraq. A year later, when the Iraq war was looming, Bush offered his major justification by enunciating a doctrine of preemptive war. This is the one Charlie Gibson thinks is the Bush doctrine.
It's not. It's the third in a series and was superseded by the fourth and current definition of the Bush doctrine, the most sweeping formulation of the Bush approach to foreign policy and the one that most clearly and distinctively defines the Bush years: the idea that the fundamental mission of American foreign policy is to spread democracy throughout the world. It was most dramatically enunciated in Bush's second inaugural address: "The survival of liberty in our land increasingly depends on the success of liberty in other lands. The best hope for peace in our world is the expansion of freedom in all the world."

This declaration of a sweeping, universal American freedom agenda was consciously meant to echo John Kennedy's pledge in his inaugural address that the United States "shall pay any price, bear any burden, meet any hardship, support any friend, oppose any foe, in order to assure the survival and the success of liberty." It draws also from the Truman doctrine of March 1947 and from Wilson's 14 points.


[/align]If I were in any public foreign policy debate today, and my adversary were to raise the Bush doctrine, both I and the audience would assume -- unless my interlocutor annotated the reference otherwise -- that he was speaking about the grandly proclaimed (and widely attacked) freedom agenda of the Bush administration.
Not the Gibson doctrine of preemption.
Not the "with us or against us" no-neutrality-is-permitted policy of the immediate post-9/11 days.
Not the unilateralism that characterized the pre-9/11 first year of the Bush administration.
Presidential doctrines are inherently malleable and difficult to define. The only fixed "doctrines" in American history are the Monroe and the Truman doctrines which come out of single presidential statements during administrations where there were few other contradictory or conflicting foreign policy crosscurrents.
Such is not the case with the Bush doctrine.
Yes, Sarah Palin didn't know what it is. But neither does Charlie Gibson. And at least she didn't pretend to know -- while he looked down his nose and over his glasses with weary disdain, sighing and "sounding like an impatient teacher," as the Times noted. In doing so, he captured perfectly the establishment snobbery and intellectual condescension that has characterized the chattering classes' reaction to the mother of five who presumes to play on their stage.

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DougMD, You watched the interview, you know she was lost. If you recall, she was stumped on alot of questions. Also she gave the wrong answere on some. You can't make it better with more excuses.
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Old 09-14-2008, 07:18 AM   #3
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She did quite well in my opinion. We all know the media wants to tear her down and build up Obama, but I honestly think we are in a new age where internet and radio news gets out the true message beyond the big three, and people are backlashing against democrats for it.
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No she got it right. It was Gibson who got it wrong.

I know your very very scared right now. Your masiah is just another inexperience politican. Your whole party is scared right now. So much scared more and more of those running for congress are choosing to distance themselves from him.

And this is just one of many stories out there rainmaker. Shall I post more?
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB122117869912626029.html?mod=todays_columnists

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Pelosi's Gang
Feels the Pressure
September 12, 2008;PageA15
Something happened on the way to September.
It was in July that Chris Van Hollen, head of the Democrats' House campaign operation, predicted this year would prove "another big-wave election" for his party -- a repeat of 2006 when Democrats gained 31 seats. Barack Obama's "50-state strategy" was supposed to secure both the White House and blowout gains in Congress. At the recent Democratic convention, Majority Leader Steny Hoyer bragged his party had 75 pick-up opportunities.







Or maybe not. Slowly, without much notice, the political landscape has changed. House Republicans are getting traction on issues like energy and reform, and a boost from a newly energized McCain-Palin ticket. An even bigger problem for Democrats is that Nancy Pelosi's liberal governing has put her own vaunted freshmen at risk in their conservative districts.
Some Republicans now cautiously predict they might keep losses to the single digits. Some Democrats morosely agree.
One big shift is in the way voters are looking at Republicans. The GOP brand may still stink, but has lost at least some of its odor. Republicans have closed the gap in polls that ask whether voters are more likely to go for a generic Republican or a generic Democrat -- and in some cases reversed it. New polls also show a real majority of voters in today's GOP-held districts would prefer to keep a Republican in office.
That last number is especially key for the two-dozen open seats Republicans are actively defending. The conventional wisdom was that mass GOP retirements would guarantee a Republican rout, and it's true the party will lose some long-held districts that are now trending left. Then again, this passing of the old guard has held an upside. It's allowed the party to field fresh faces at a time of anti-incumbent mania.
These younger candidates have seized on the energy issue, and embraced John McCain's promise to reform the GOP on earmarks, spending and entitlements. Free of the party's baggage, they've rejuvenated conservative voters and intrigued independents.
Nine-term California Republican John Doolittle was headed to defeat, thanks to a corruption investigation. He instead retired, and today's Republican candidate is state Sen. Tom McClintock, an ardent fiscal conservative. Should he and like-minded newbies win, they will bolster the party's reform wing.
Democrats still hold the cards, but face a possible reckoning. The Democratic leadership got smart in 2006, running conservative Democrats who picked off unpopular Republicans in conservative districts. Yet that same leadership has proceeded to govern in a way that has made many of those freshmen vulnerable in their first re-election. Of the 20 most competitive Democratic seats, 16 are held by newcomers.
If you want to know why Mrs. Pelosi is so eager to now talk energy, this is it. Wisconsin's Steve Kagen, who in 2006 won a district that went 55% for George W. Bush, is getting hammered by his GOP opponent, John Gard, for his party's refusal to pass drilling legislation. Republican Lynn Jenkins is accusing Kansas freshman Nancy Boyda of casting the deciding vote for Congress to go on August recess instead of dealing with high gas prices. Mrs. Pelosi has meanwhile forbade her party from signing a petition to bring GOP drilling legislation to the floor; Republicans are making her power over freshmen Democrats an issue.
The newcomers are also getting knocked for their party's failed promise to reform spending and earmarks. Pennsylvania's Chris Carney (whose district went 60% for Mr. Bush) is up against GOP reformer Chris Hackett. Mr. Hackett has taken a no-earmark pledge, and turned Mr. Carney's pork into a central theme. He's been getting an assist from media attention on the neighboring district of 12-term Democrat Paul Kanjorski, who may lose his seat over an earmark scandal.
What's really hurting freshmen are votes on which their leadership demanded unity. Some are getting hit for a Democratic vote to eliminate secret ballots in union elections, which has tarred candidates with the stench of a special-interest labor agenda. Some are getting hit for Mrs. Pelosi's resolution condemning the Iraq surge. Some, in particular Democrats who belong to the Blue Dog coalition, are getting hit for their votes to raise taxes or increase spending.
As for Mr. Obama's 50-state game, many freshman Dems are too worried about being tarred with his liberal stances to even risk being seen with him. Republicans are also encouraged by the new enthusiasm Sarah Palin has injected into the McCain campaign. They are hoping for better turnout, and for voters to follow historic patterns by voting largely down the ticket line.
Republicans continue to fret that their better fortunes are tied to gas prices, and that as they fall, they'll "lose" the energy issue, and their appeal to voters. Possibly. But if there's a lesson in all this -- for both parties -- it's that voters are responding to promises to break with the Washington same-old, same-old. That's a message that will resonate no matter the price of oil.
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What I find quite interesting in that article is the last part about how higher gas prices will help republicans. We all know republicans are pushing for drilling to increase future supply and lower prices. At the same time, many democrats have charged (including Dan Rather)that "oil companies are dropping prices so the republicans can get elected." I have stated, and this article mirrors that the opposite is true,HIGHER gas prices will bode well for republicans in November.As usual, democrats got it wrong. I find it ironic that DEMOCRAT policies of limited supply are helping republicans by keeping prices higher than they would be with the prospect of more supply. Fact is, oil has gone from $140 a barrel to about $100 due to decreased demand. Add in republican plans for more supply, and it will go lower yet.
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What does 177 Oil lobbyist in McCains campaign tell you. They have to get him elected in order to stop any alternative fuel, and to get into americas last reserves.
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NOTHING. Both sides have lobbyists all over. That's currently how the evil side of politics works. Ever see the movie "Charlie Wilson's War"? That illustrates my point. Politicians can (and will) get down when they feel the need.
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Did anyone else notice how hostile and aggressive the normally avuncular Charlie Gibson was in these interviews? talk about Mr Hyde showing up when Dr Jeckel was expected!

I have noticed that there were a number of badgering tactics used by Charles Gibson, and I'm not the one noticing them. There is the Charles Krauthammer article you mentioned. Right. Who the hell ever heard of the "Bush Doctrine" before Charles Gibson used the term? I guess we are all foreign policy imbeciles. But as Krauthammer pointed out, Gibson is the biggest imbecile of all because he failed to identify which of four distinctly different versions of the Bush Doctrine he was referring to. Ah, well, why hold the left wing press to any consistent or rational standard of behavior, so long as it makes a Republican look bad it is all OK. The bending and twisting of the discussion of God and military involvements dosen't look exactly fair and level. I heard Gibson called Palin to task on the subject of the AssaultWeapons ban, saying 70% of Americans support it. I think Gibson and the left wing media are going to get egg on their face with that grand standing attempt also.

All in all, it sounds to me like the usual from the propaganda machine of the Democratic party -- the mainstream media. Fortunately the media doesn't choose the POTUS. I think the people see what the media is doing.
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DougMD, You watched the interview, you know she was lost. If you recall, she was stumped on alot of questions. Also she gave the wrong answere on some. You can't make it better with more excuses.
I think Palin was laughing inside when Gibson asked her about this mysterious doctrine. She was silently wondering if all media people from the lower 48 were that stupid. Now she knows
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Pali is a liar, she said she had been to Iraq in the battle zone, that is a lie. She said she had been to Ireland, the plane stopped for fuel on the border, that is a lie. She could ad another country, if she sold that plane to a foreigner and got an A++++ rating on Ebay. She fits right in with the Republican adminitration of Lies.
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