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Old 09-09-2008, 12:26 PM   #1
 
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Am I correct in assuming that once one converts to Islam that his/her name is changed ? IF so when BHO converted to Christianity should their name remain? Why was it not changed to his birth name?
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:37 PM   #2
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Um, "Barack Hussein Obama" was his given name, from Barack Obama Sr, who was a Muslim, and then his mom married another Muslim after BO Sr ran off with someone else, and by the time BHO could've changed his name, he'd had his old one for 17 years, and I guess he didn't mind or care anymore.

I think you're confusing Barack HusseinObama with Muhammed Ali.[>:]
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:38 PM   #3
 
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Barry Sotero why is that name always mentioned ?
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Old 09-09-2008, 12:40 PM   #4
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I know about as much about Islam as I do quantum physics, but I can look stuff up. Here's what I found:

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Muslims should have good names and give good names to their children. Islam does not require all converts to change their names. New Muslims should only change their first names, if they contain wrong or bad meanings. As far as their last names are concerned they should not be changed unless their parents are alive and accept the change.

In this regard, we"™d like to furnish for you the following fatwa issued by Dr. Muzammil H. Siddiqi, President of the Fiqh Council ofNorth America, who states:
[blockquote] Islam emphasizes that Muslims should have good names and give good names to their children. It is reported in a hadith that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) said, "You will be called on the Day of Resurrection by your names and the names of your fathers, so have good names." (Reported by Abu Dawud)

During the time of the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) when people used to accept Islam, he would not require all people to change their names. He used to change only those names that carried wrong meanings or un-Islamic ideas and concepts. The Prophet's wife `A'ishah (may Allah be pleased with her) said about the Prophet, "He used to change bad names." (Reported by at-Tirmidhi)

For instance, `Umar had a daughter whose name was "`Asiyah" (meaning disobedient or rude). The Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) changed her name to "Jamilah" (the Beautiful- see Sunan Abu Dawud, Hadith no. 4301) Abu Dawud has mentioned many names of people and places that the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) changed because they had bad meanings. (see Hadith no. 4305) Imam al-Bukhari mentioned that Sa`id ibn al-Musayyib said that when his grandfather came to the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him), the Prophet asked him about his name. He said, "Hazn" (meaning Hard). The Prophet said, "You are Sahl. (meaning soft, easy)." The man said, "I do not want to change the name that my father gave me." His grandson Sa`id used to regret and say afterwards that they kept on experiencing the hardness in their family. (Reported by al-Bukhari)

One can only change one's own name, but one cannot change the family name or name of one's parents, unless they are alive and accept the change. So the new Muslims should change their first names, if they contain wrong or bad meanings. As far as their last names are concerned they should not be changed, because it is also forbidden in Islam to take the name of someone other than one's own biological father. Allah says in the Qur'an, [Proclaim their real parentage. That will be more equitable in the sight of Allah. And if you do not know their fathers, then they are your brothers in the faith"¦] (Al-Ahzab 33: 5)
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Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. IS his birth name.
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Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. IS his birth name.

Has he produced a birth certificate authenticating that?
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Has he produced a birth certificate authenticating that?
Is that all you want or do you want me to find you proof the sun rises in the east too? Jeeze!


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Then why was he served this week in an attempt to produce a birth certificate? Is that all smoke and mirrors by a Clinton backer(I might add)?
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I bet Google works just as well on your computer as it does on mine. Have fun.
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A new development this week in the countdown to the Democratic National Convention: Philip J. Berg has filed a lawsuit, in which he alleges that Barack Hussein Obama is ineligible to run for President. His allegations are based on questions about Obama's citizenship. He has asked the U.S District Court to declare Obama ineligible for the presidency on the basis that he is not a natural born American citizen. A separate motion was filed to seek a temporary restraining order against Obama's presidential campaign until Obama's eligibility to run for President can be verified.

Obama's citizenship is being questioned in several different ways. First, is whether or not he was actually born in Hawaii. If he was born in Hawaii, in 1961, He was born on US soil. There is one group that would even dispute that
Hawaii is US soil, but the allegation in the lawsuit suggests that Obama was already born In Kenya before he ever made it to Hawaii. Several Of Obama's own relatives say he was born in Kenya, and his Mother flew herself and the infant Barack Obama to get his birth registered as if he was born in Hawaii, making him a US Citizen. The birth certificate lists the race of his father as "African". In 1961, that would not be the term used to designate a race. Berg has additional evidence that the birth certificate was a forgery, including the fact that there is no record of his birth in any hospital in Hawaii.

The suit also claims that even if Obama had an
American citizenship, he lost it when his mother married another man and the whole family moved to Indonesia. This action gave Obama an Indonesian citizenship. This would also put into question if he were an American citizen even now.

According to the suit, Obama flew to Pakistan in 1981 using an Indonesian Passport. There is evidence that also has Obama with a Kenyan citizenship. To have loyalties divided among three countries would make a person ineligible to run for
president according to Berg.


Why would Berg go to these lengths ?
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Old 09-09-2008, 01:25 PM   #10
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If a parent is a USA citizen your a citizen right,no matter where you are born,right?

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and we are upposed to care what bErg thinks why?

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