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Old 09-09-2008, 11:42 AM   #1
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I hear that there is a pretty dramatic swing among independent voters to McCain/Palin and a pretty dramatic swing among white women voters to McCain/Palin. Ouch! That white women voters demographic is the disaffected Hillory vote, me thinks!

I hear Obama is redoubling his efforts to say he is the change-meister, but I think that old saw has proven to be . . . well, an old saw. Somehow the undefined word "change" doesn't have the same glitter and sparkle anymore. The air has gone out of that balloon.

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that Obama has done very little is inescapable, and what he has done is anti-gun, anti-life and pro-Socialist - and he cannot escape that
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Old 09-09-2008, 11:46 AM   #3
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I saw where Biden says that electing Palin would be a "step back" for women. How can that possibly be? Did he give any explanation whatsoever how it would take women "back" in time or progress?

I think we haven't seen the last of the backfires on democrats for attacking Palin with BS that doesn't hold water!
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Let's see how the polls look after the Republicans' bounce from the convention fades out. I'll go out on a limb and make a wild guess that's all we're seeing right now.
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I saw where Biden says that electing Palin would be a "step back" for women. How can that possibly be? Did he give any explanation whatsoever how it would take women "back" in time or progress?

I think we haven't seen the last of the backfires on democrats for attacking Palin with BS that doesn't hold water!
This is always the response of the liberals. Well, electing a black Republican really doesn't count as empowering blacks because, well, they just aren't really black if they are Republican!!! Well, electing a woman Republican really doesn't count as empowering women because, well, they just aren't really women if they are Republican!!! Poppy-cock! More of the absurdity of Democratic blather (I won't call it "thinking"). No, electing a Republican woman empowers women and gives women a voice in government who sees things from the perspective of women. No, electing a Republican black empowers blacks and gives blacks a voice in government who sees things from the perspective of blacks.
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Let's see how the polls look after the Republicans' bounce from the convention fades out. I'll go out on a limb and make a wild guess that's all we're seeing right now.
I guess that is the most positive light that an Obama supporter can place on these facts. And to be fair, there is plenty of time left in the champaign for things to change. We'll see how it all turns out. It should be an interesting campaign.

I will repeat, however, that the siren song of "change" is not gettin' it done for Obama any longer. He may have to pull out the stops and actually define what he means by "change," and differentiate that from what McCain/Palin have to offer. And . . . here's the rub . . . defining the kind of change he is bringing to the party is going to repell some voters, which is why he prefers not to be so definite and committal. McCain/Palin has forced Obama to venture forth from that warm, cooshy spot of glorious, ill-defined words and say something real. That is going to be very dangerous for him. People are liable to find out -- more and more -- that he is (1) tax and spend; (2) weak on defense; (3) anti-gun; and (4) liberal onsocial/cultural issues (abortion, gays, feminism, etc).
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Plain old fact is that America isn"™t ready to elect a black person to POTUS in 2008. White folks are still the majority and will take any excuse to vote the white ticket. McCain getting Sarah Barracuda was pure genius since he will get the white women that were headed to Hillary. I bet Hillary"™s day was ruined when she heard Palin speak at the GOP shindig. Bad enough losing the primary to Obama now to get short sheeted by a better looking woman.
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Plain old fact is that America isn"™t ready to elect a black person to POTUS in 2008. White folks are still the majority and will take any excuse to vote the white ticket. McCain getting Sarah Barracuda was pure genius since he will get the white women that were headed to Hillary. I bet Hillary"™s day was ruined when she heard Palin speak at the GOP shindig. Bad enough losing the primary to Obama now to get short sheeted by a better looking woman.
Champlain Islander: You are welcome to your opinion, but I don't think the problem with Obama is the color of his skin but the politics he is dealing. If the ticket were reversed and it was Biden/Obama, they would still have the same problem.

It is worse for Hillary than you have suggested. The satori -- sudden instant of enlightenment -- that Hillary would have experienced while listening to Palin speak last Wednesday would have included the thought (1) this woman is going to steal my voters and(2) when I try to run for president next time in 2016 I'm going to be 8 years longer of tooth and this woman is going to be a mere 52 years old and enjoying the benefit of 8 years seasoning as vice president of the United States.
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Let's see how the polls look after the Republicans' bounce from the convention fades out. I'll go out on a limb and make a wild guess that's all we're seeing right now.
I really don't know if you would call it a bounce for the Republicans.

The democrat bounce was pretty short lived. Obama's bounce lasted for 2 or 3 days until it ricocheted off of McCain and the frontiers woman from Alaska. McCain took care of Obama's bounce the day after the dems. convention.

Ricochet might be a better term.

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You may be right Alsatian but there are many people who can get excited about Obama all through the primaries and up to the election. When they get into that booth it might be a different story. He is pushing change without substance and does have a way of getting people excited. Lots of peoplewere looking for change but it looks like McCain has trumped in. Give people a chance on change with McCain/ Palin or the changecoupled withthe unknown with Obama/ Biden and my bet goes to the GOP.Put Obama into office and theEEO we all lived through in the 80's and 90's will seem tame.
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