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Old 09-06-2008, 12:46 PM   #1
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"This has been peddled again and again. Here"s what I believe: that the 2nd Amendment is an individual right and it means something -- that people have a right to bear arms.

What I also believe is that there is nothing wrong with some common sense gun safety measures. For example, that we should have strong background checks to keep guns out of the hands of criminals, to keep them out of the hands of the mentally disabled. We should have mechanisms to trace guns that are used in crimes back to the gun dealers that sold them to shut down supplies of illegal guns.
That kind of thing is common sense, and it has nothing to do with the guy who has got his rifle and wants to go hunting."

But Obama had some choice words for the National Rifle Assn., which has been hammering him for months in its publications and plans a major ad campaign opposing him this fall:

Their general attitude is ... if you even breathe the word gun control or gun safety, then you must want to take away everybody"s guns. Well, that"s just not true.

But what we have to understand is that there are two realities about guns in this country. There"s the reality of people who are lawfully and safely using guns for hunting and skeet shooting and protecting their families. And you"ve got illegal handguns being dumped in Philadelphia, in the hands of teenage gang-bangers and drug dealers who are wreaking havoc and killing people. And surely we can come up with a system that protects lawful gun owners but at the same time tries to do something about kids getting shot.


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Is that clear enough? I agree with his take on the NRA, also. Its like the Taliban: You are required to believe what the NRA says all the way down the line or you are a 'gun grabber'. Give me a break!

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Old 09-06-2008, 12:50 PM   #2
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The rhetoric almost sounds acceptable. Notice his emphasis on being able to HUNT, with slight mention of protecting one's family. Most notably, he was forDC's total gun ban, so his definition of "reasonable restrictions" goes far beyond the definition any reasonable person would have for it. Yes, he knows he can't win without acting like he supports gun ownership, but thereare wolf eyes under the sheep's clothing.
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Old 09-06-2008, 12:59 PM   #3
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Yep.....I believe him. Just like I believe he could no more disown Wright than his white grandma, and he has never been "close" to Ayers and Rezco, etc.

"We should have mechanisms to trace guns that are used in crimes back to the gun dealers that sold them to shut down supplies of illegal guns."

Err......we do have those "mechanisms"--they are called serial numbers.Just shows how out of touchhe is. Guns are stolen and/or traded all the time. Legitimate dealers have a mountain of paperwork to legally sell a gun. Shutting down illegal supplies will be as effective as shutting down illegal drug supplies.


"Their general attitude is ... if you even breathe the word gun control or gun safety, then you must want to take away everybody"s guns."

That's just a blatent lie......suprise, suprise.

It doesn't take a genious to figure out where a candidate that is supported by HCI,etc. really stands.

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Old 09-06-2008, 01:10 PM   #4
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I love It! Folks are going to believe what they want!.

No matter what he says about his stated positions, which have been pretty constant, Obama is still going tothought to be suspect! Note how what he says reflects how I have described his stated positions.

Shows how conservatives are open minded.
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Gee, I dont see to often where legal registered guns are causing crime.. Unless they have been stolen and then used in a crime.


They want to put #'s on shell casings just so they can find who sold the ammo and then sue them out of business.
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He believes a total gunban is a reasonable restriction. END OF STORY
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Beau Ouiville, do you think Obama supporting the DC gun ban and Chicago's ban on pistols is consistent with his support of people being able to defend their families?
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Bob Casey: Obama Would Probably Find DC Handgun Bill Constitutional[/align]By Jeralyn, Section Elections 2008
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Update: The AP has a new article on Obama's many efforts at gun control.
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At Wednesday's debate, Barack Obama wouldn't say what his position is on the DC law banning handguns. He dodged, saying he wasn't familiar with the facts of the case.
Of course, in November, his campaign told the Chicago Tribune he supporteed the ban. (Chicago Tribune November 20, 2007.)
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But the campaign of Democratic presidential hopeful Barack Obama said that he "...believes that we can recognize and respect the rights of law-abiding gun owners and the right of local communities to enact common sense laws to combat violence and save lives. Obama believes the D.C. handgun law is constitutional."
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Tonight, Obama surrogate Bob Casey was on Lou Dobbs. Dobbs asked Casey whether Obama would support or oppose the DC handgun ban. (No link, I typed from his answer.)
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Bob Casey: He would probably be a supporter, as he has been in the U.S. Senate and the Illinois legislature, for various restrictions on gun ownership. I happen to disagree with him on that, we have our disagreements.
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[/align]Why didn't Obama answer the question at the debate instead of weaving and bobbing? Was it because he didn't want to alienate PA voters, many of whom favor strong gun ownership rights? And, did he fail to tell the truth?
Obama's answer at the debate:
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Gibson: Is that a law consistent with an individual's right to bear arms?
OBAMA: Well, Charlie, I confess I obviously haven't listened to the briefs and looked at all the evidence. As a general principle, I believe that the Constitution confers an individual right to bear arms. But just because you have an individual right does not mean that the state or local government can't constrain the exercise of that right, and, you know, in the same way that we have a right to private property but local governments can establish zoning ordinances that determine how you can use it.
And I think that it is going to be important for us to reconcile what are two realities in this country. There's the reality of gun ownership and the tradition of gun ownership that's passed on from generation to generation. You know, when you listen to people who have hunted, and they talk about the fact that they went hunting with their fathers or their mothers, then that is something that is deeply important to them and, culturally, they care about deeply. But you also have the reality of what's happening here in Philadelphia and what's happening in Chicago.
....GIBSON: But do you still favor the registration of guns? Do you still favor the licensing of guns? And in 1996, your campaign issued a questionnaire, and your writing was on the questionnaire that said you favored a ban on handguns.
OBAMA: No, my writing wasn't on that particular questionnaire, Charlie. As I said, I have never favored an all-out ban on handguns. (my emphasis)
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The DC handgun ban is "an all-out ban on handguns." As the Washington Post reported,
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The stakes are obviously high for the District, which passed the nation's strictest gun-control law in 1976, just after residents were granted the authority to govern themselves. It virtually bans the private possession of handguns, and requires that rifles and shotguns in the home be kept unloaded and disassembled or outfitted with a trigger lock.
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In February, 2008, when asked for his position on the D.C. handgun ban, he also dodged (The video is here):
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He declined, just as the Bush Administration did, to take a position on whether the DC gun ban violates the 2nd Amendment. He said instead that states and cities should have broad latitude to regulate guns"even if the Constitution guarantees an individual right to own them.
"The city of Chicago has gun laws, so does Washington, DC," Obama said. "The notion that somehow local jurisdictions can't initiate gun safety laws to deal with gang bangers and random shootings on the street isn't borne out by our Constitution."
...."I think there's a lot of room before you (start) bumping against a constitutional barrier for us to institute some of the common-sense gun laws that I just spoke about."
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Bottom line: Obama dodges, weaves and bobs. I've pointed out several other instances of this over the past year and a half and I can't believe I'm the only one whose noticed or the only one for whom it's a problem.
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Old 09-06-2008, 01:27 PM   #9
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He believes a total gunban is a reasonable restriction. END OF STORY
Stop believing conservatives' fairy tales.

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Beau Ouiville, do you think Obama supporting the DC gun ban and Chicago's ban on pistols is consistent with his support of people being able to defend their families?
Yes. The DC law and Chicago law, ham-fisted as they are or were, were attempts to protect folks. Living in the city and defending your family can't be done with a shotgun?

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Old 09-06-2008, 01:30 PM   #10
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Obama does not take an issue on guns until after he is elected. I don't trust him a single bit, and his history of supporting gun bans and restrictions is no relief. Beau, who ON THIS FORUM are you trying to dupe?
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