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Old 09-03-2008, 12:07 PM   #1
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Here ya go fellas, lets have some fun this time. Instead of the day-in day-out bashing of Obama how about we try to make all responses to this article in defense of McCain and Palin...should be rather fun and definitely out of the ordinary yea, yea I know its the times, lets pretend its something more "reputable" as well

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/op...mp;oref=slogin

September 3, 2008[/align] Op-Ed Columnist[/align] And Then There Was One By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN[/align] As we emerge from Labor Day, college students are gathering back on campuses not only to start the fall semester, but also, in some cases, to vote for the first time in a presidential election. There is no bigger issue on campuses these days than environment/energy. Going into this election, I thought that " for the first time " we would have a choice between two "green" candidates. That view is no longer operative " and college students (and everyone else) need to understand that.


With his choice of Sarah Palin " the Alaska governor who has advocated drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and does not believe mankind is playing any role in climate change " for vice president, John McCain has completed his makeover from the greenest Republican to run for president to just another representative of big oil.
Given the fact that Senator McCain deliberately avoided voting on all eight attempts to pass a bill extending the vital tax credits and production subsidies to expand our wind and solar industries, and given his support for lowering the gasoline tax in a reckless giveaway that would only promote more gasoline consumption and intensify our addiction to oil, and given his desire to make more oil-drilling, not innovation around renewable energy, the centerpiece of his energy policy " in an effort to mislead voters that support for drilling today would translate into lower prices at the pump today " McCain has forfeited any claim to be a green candidate.


So please, students, when McCain comes to your campus and flashes a few posters of wind turbines and solar panels, ask him why he has been AWOL when it came to Congress supporting these new technologies.
"Back in June, the Republican Party had a round-up," said Carl Pope, the executive director of the Sierra Club. "One of the unbranded cattle " a wizened old maverick name John McCain " finally got roped. Then they branded him with a big "Lazy O" " George Bush"s brand, where the O stands for oil. No more maverick.



"One of McCain"s last independent policies putting him at odds with Bush was his opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge," added Pope, "yet he has now picked a running mate who has opposed holding big oil accountable and been dismissive of alternative energy while focusing her work on more oil drilling in a wildlife refuge and off of our coasts. While the northern edge of her state literally falls into the rising Arctic Ocean, Sarah Palin says, "The jury is still out on global warming." She"s the one hanging the jury " and John McCain is going to let her."
Indeed, Palin"s much ballyhooed confrontations with the oil industry have all been about who should get more of the windfall profits, not how to end our addiction.
Barack Obama should be doing more to promote his green agenda, but at least he had the courage, in the heat of a Democratic primary, not to pander to voters by calling for a lifting of the gasoline tax. And while he has come out for a limited expansion of offshore drilling, he has refrained from misleading voters that this is in any way a solution to our energy problems.


I am not against a limited expansion of off-shore drilling now. But it is a complete sideshow. By constantly pounding into voters that his energy focus is to "drill, drill, drill," McCain is diverting attention from what should be one of the central issues in this election: who has the better plan to promote massive innovation around clean power technologies and energy efficiency.



Why? Because renewable energy technologies " what I call "E.T." " are going to constitute the next great global industry. They will rival and probably surpass "I.T." " information technology. The country that spawns the most E.T. companies will enjoy more economic power, strategic advantage and rising standards of living. We need to make sure that is America. Big oil and OPEC want to make sure it is not.


Palin"s nomination for vice president and her desire to allow drilling in the Alaskan wilderness "reminded me of a lunch I had three and half years ago with one of the Russian trade attachés," global trade consultant Edward Goldberg said to me. "After much wine, this gentleman told me that his country was very pleased that the Bush administration wanted to drill in the Alaskan wilderness. In his opinion, the amount of product one could actually derive from there was negligible in terms of needs. However, it signified that the Bush administration was not planning to do anything to create alternative energy, which of course would threaten the economic growth of Russia."


So, college students, don"t let anyone tell you that on the issue of green, this election is not important. It is vitally important, and the alternatives could not be more black and white.

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Old 09-03-2008, 12:49 PM   #2
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Here ya go fellas, lets have some fun this time. Instead of the day-in day-out bashing of Obama how about we try to make all responses to this article in defense of McCain and Palin...should be rather fun and definitely out of the ordinary yea, yea I know its the times, lets pretend its something more "reputable" as well

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/03/opinion/03friedman.html?_r=1&hp&oref=slogin

September 3, 2008 Op-Ed Columnist And Then There Was One By THOMAS L. FRIEDMAN As we emerge from Labor Day, college students are gathering back on campuses not only to start the fall semester, but also, in some cases, to vote for the first time in a presidential election. There is no bigger issue on campuses these days than environment/energy. Going into this election, I thought that " for the first time " we would have a choice between two "green" candidates. That view is no longer operative " and college students (and everyone else) need to understand that.


With his choice of Sarah Palin " the Alaska governor who has advocated drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge and does not believe mankind is playing any role in climate change " for vice president, John McCain has completed his makeover from the greenest Republican to run for president to just another representative of big oil.

Given the fact that Senator McCain deliberately avoided voting on all eight attempts to pass a bill extending the vital tax credits and production subsidies to expand our wind and solar industries, and given his support for lowering the gasoline tax in a reckless giveaway that would only promote more gasoline consumption and intensify our addiction to oil, and given his desire to make more oil-drilling, not innovation around renewable energy, the centerpiece of his energy policy " in an effort to mislead voters that support for drilling today would translate into lower prices at the pump today " McCain has forfeited any claim to be a green candidate.
You give the impression that McCain has no intent of doing anything but a little drilling. And, why do you consider it a bad thing for the Governor of Alaska to promote drilling in ANWR? That would mean significant additional revenue for her state, with negligible environmental impact.


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So please, students, when McCain comes to your campus and flashes a few posters of wind turbines and solar panels, ask him why he has been AWOL when it came to Congress supporting these new technologies.
"Back in June, the Republican Party had a round-up," said Carl Pope, the executive director of the Sierra Club. "One of the unbranded cattle " a wizened old maverick name John McCain " finally got roped. Then they branded him with a big "Lazy O" " George Bush"s brand, where the O stands for oil. No more maverick.
Blah, blah, blah. Meaningless rhetoric and attempt to brand McCain as Bush III. Nothing there, at all...


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"One of McCain"s last independent policies putting him at odds with Bush was his opposition to drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge," added Pope, "yet he has now picked a running mate who has opposed holding big oil accountable and been dismissive of alternative energy while focusing her work on more oil drilling in a wildlife refuge and off of our coasts. While the northern edge of her state literally falls into the rising Arctic Ocean, Sarah Palin says, "The jury is still out on global warming." She"s the one hanging the jury " and John McCain is going to let her."
I've been seeing a lot of stuff recently indicating that the jury is still out. But, those aren't "real" scientists. They're just flat-Earthers.

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Indeed, Palin"s much ballyhooed confrontations with the oil industry have all been about who should get more of the windfall profits, not how to end our addiction.
Opinion. I suppose the writer was there to watch...

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Barack Obama should be doing more to promote his green agenda, but at least he had the courage, in the heat of a Democratic primary, not to pander to voters by calling for a lifting of the gasoline tax. And while he has come out for a limited expansion of offshore drilling, he has refrained from misleading voters that this is in any way a solution to our energy problems.
Wait a second. Isn't Obama "pandering to voters" by saying he's going to tax the bejeezus out of oil companies and give everyone a thousand dollars. I'm still waiting to hear a plan from him that even remotely makes sense.


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I am not against a limited expansion of off-shore drilling now. But it is a complete sideshow. By constantly pounding into voters that his energy focus is to "drill, drill, drill," McCain is diverting attention from what should be one of the central issues in this election: who has the better plan to promote massive innovation around clean power technologies and energy efficiency.
The writer obviously has his little DailyKos earmuffs on, so he won't hear any of the rest of McCain's plan.


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Why? Because renewable energy technologies " what I call "E.T." " are going to constitute the next great global industry. They will rival and probably surpass "I.T." " information technology. The country that spawns the most E.T. companies will enjoy more economic power, strategic advantage and rising standards of living. We need to make sure that is America. Big oil and OPEC want to make sure it is not.
Again, nothing but an utterly baseless assumption that McCain's just another shill for the oil companies and doesn't have plans for anything except oil and more oil. The writer is a moron.


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Palin"s nomination for vice president and her desire to allow drilling in the Alaskan wilderness "reminded me of a lunch I had three and half years ago with one of the Russian trade attachés," global trade consultant Edward Goldberg said to me. "After much wine, this gentleman told me that his country was very pleased that the Bush administration wanted to drill in the Alaskan wilderness. In his opinion, the amount of product one could actually derive from there was negligible in terms of needs. However, it signified that the Bush administration was not planning to do anything to create alternative energy, which of course would threaten the economic growth of Russia."
So, the Russkie apparently thinks Bush is running again. Duh. He's not.


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So, college students, don"t let anyone tell you that on the issue of green, this election is not important. It is vitally important,
OK, the environment is important. What's your point? Teh author completely ignores McCain's plans on alternative energies. And, Obama's plan doesn't help... We're still going to be using oil as our primary energy for decades, regardless of who is elected, and by shunning drilling, he's not doing anything for the environment, he's simply continuing the practice of sending hundreds of billions of dollars to Arab sheiks and South American despots who despise us.

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and the alternatives could not be more black and white.
Well... he got something right.
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:26 PM   #3
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Whoooooooo. When the fate of this country rides on the immediate shoulders of college students, then it"s time to leave. I was liberal when I was in college. I will also admit I was ignorant of candidates views and how they truly impacted this country. I was ignorant of how the real world worked. I was ignorant to most all world issues. I voted for the cool candidate, just as most college students will. I did not see the whole picture. I only saw what I wanted to see. If poor little bunnies were being threatened, I jumped to the cause, just as most college students will do. But you got to remember, college students will only vote, if a good party is not going on at the same time. Or better yet, the night before. As Churchill said; "If at 17, you're not a liberal, you have no heart. If at 35, you're not a conservative...you have no brain."

Actually, this is my favorite Churchill quote; "Yes ma'am I am drunk. But in the morning I'll be sober, and you'll still be ugly."


You might want to post articles meant for grown ups here. Its easy to rally liberal college students.
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Old 09-03-2008, 02:40 PM   #4
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If you truly want to be "green," then be true to your cause and quit buying gas.

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Old 09-03-2008, 02:46 PM   #5
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Isnt it funny how a liberal will fly inhis jet and drive inhis limo to give a speech on being green. Or put on a concert for Green
awareness using ungodly amounts of energy in the process. Then fly in their jets, and take their limos to one of their mansions.I have yet to see a Gore type follow Ed Begely Jr..
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I beleave every bit of it wahoohunter, the real truth is its even worse. Its hard to beleave that some people are backing these crook Republicans. I think I mentioned in an earliar post that she would be good to get Big oil in ANWR.
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Old 09-03-2008, 08:11 PM   #7
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Of course you would Rainy , since you absolutely cannot think for yourself. Sheeple
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I think rain maker stood in the rain to long. I also think he is a harry reed clone with less common sense.
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Old 09-03-2008, 09:58 PM   #9
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I don't know how much of the article is true. As I have heard it, Sarah Palin supports measures to control global warming, I assume to reduce CO2 emissions. I don't happen to agree with this evaluation, but that is another matter.

What have McCain's votes been on energy issues -- I don't know. Now they seem to be pushing a potpourri of energy initiatives including geothermal, wind, nuclear, and others.
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