I know I've seen a lot of "They scare the **it out of me when it comes to gun control!" but, what do you all actually feel would happen in regards to guns if Obama is elected? I understand from reading past voting histories why you all may be afraid, however, do you actually feel that guns will be taken away or what? Just interested to hear some opinions.
Every law that the Dems try and push through will get passed, and depending on who he puts into SCOTUS all appeals will also be denied. Remember how close the DC gun ban was?
It WILL BE BAD!
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A golf course is a willful and deliberate misuse of a perfectly good rifle range.
Bad policy and bad government don't happen overnight or in one fell swoop, they happen incrementally. Incrementally our federal government has arrived at its obese proportion. Incrementally it has found more and more ways to be fiscally irresponsible. Incrementally the current two party system has assured it's own perpetuation through emotion and the devices of systematic pandering and blaming.
Electing a President who is liberal and therefore tends to appoint like minded people to the Judiciary increases the chance of incremental erosion of our 2nd amendment rights through court decision. Also, the possibility exists for more "bans" if the dems control both the legislative and Executive branches of government.
So, do I think that Obama is "going to take my guns away"??? No. (Nobody will do that, actually). But, will his presidency have a greater chance at incrementally tearing at the freedom thru one device or another? Absolutely. And even if it's only a slightly greater chance, in my mind, over the potential presidency of McCain, I still wouldn't want an even n-th degree more than I have to have, understand??
Personally over the long run, without some gaping tear in our societal fabric or barring a miracle,I feel that government will continue togain power and we will continue to lose, even in our greathuman experiment. We can only determine the rate of our descent into the abyss. I'm for going as slow as possible.
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One concern has to do with appointment of supreme court justices the other concern has to do with anti-gun legislation that Obama would push and/or approve.
The supreme court made a very narrow decision that was favorable to our gun rights in June. Had the decision gone the other way -- had the court ruled that the second amendment identifies a collective right that applies only in the context of people actively participating in a militia organization -- that would have been a strong blow to our gun rights. If Obama is president for 8 years, I fear there is a very good chance he may appoint several supreme court judges that would be activist judges versus orginalist judges (this is the general tendency of Democratic presidents). This would possibly tip the balance of the court against the second amendment. There are very likely going to be further second amendment cases reviewed by the supreme court in approaching years, particularly with respect to whether the second amendment -- which is a limitation on federal powers -- extends to state and municipal governments as does the first amendment. I would much rather have McCain appointed judges ruling on this than Obama judges ruling on this.
I am confident that Obama would actively push for and/or approvea new assault weapons ban. The thing that is most offensive about the assault weapons ban -- aside from banning any guns being offensive -- is the arbitrary definitions of what an assault weapon is that the gun control people bring to the table. They ban guns on arbitrary conditions. I fear Obama would actively push and/or approve bans on centerfire rifle ammunition demonized as "cop killers." Most powerful centerfire rifle ammunition is capable of penetrating bullet proof vests which are designed to stop pistol ammo. It is quite conceivable that .30-06 ammunition would be banned under this construction as a "cop killer." Add to that many other cartridges including .243, .25-06, .270, .300 Winchester Magnum, 7 mm Remington Magnum, .308, etc., etc.
For me there is just no question. I'm not voting for Obama. I think any person who values their second amendment rights and their freedom to hunt big game with high power centerfire ammunition such as .30-06, .270, .300 Winchester Magnum, .243, .25-06 is a fool to vote for Obama.
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RE: Obama/Biden and Gun Control
historically Democrats sponsor and hammer through 99% of gun control / anti 2nd Amendment laws. Look at the damage done to gun owners rights during the 8 years of Clinton - and add that knowledge to what Obama Bin Hussein or whatever his name is and Biden
they HATE the 2nd Amendment and will walk all over it gleefully - I have no doubts
The more I think about it the more ridiculous your question becomes, wahoohunter. What rock have you been living under? OF COURSE OBAMA AND THE DEMOCRATS WILL INTRODUCE AND PASS AS MANY ANTI-GUN LAWS AS THEY POSSIBLY CAN!!!! How can you think otherwise? They will come after guns from every possible direction. They will ban assault weapons, broadly defining assault weapons. They will attempt to demonize and ban common centerfire hunting ammunition -- .30-06, .308 -- as either military cartridges designed to kill people or as being cop killers because they are able to penetrate bullet proof vests designed to counter pistol bullets. The later "cop killer" label would apply to many other centerfire cartridges including the .243, .25-06, .270, .300 Winchester Magnum, etc. Don't you suppose these cartridges are capable of penetrating bullet proof vests designed to stop handgun cartridges? They will attempt to demonize and ban semi-automatic weapons such as semi-auto shotguns and semi-auto rifles. They will attempt to demonize and banrepeating weapons such as pump shotguns. Why do you think they will avoid any of these things? They will just coin some plausible misuse of these weapons and move to ban them on that pretext. The Winchester Model 12 shotgun was used as a military issue shotgun; therefore it is a military weapon designed for killing people; hence the Winchester Model 12 shotgun is banned.
Wake up you naieve people. Look, if you think "change" is more important than your second amendment rights, that is your free choice. But don't delude yourself into thinking Obama is no threat to your second amendment rights. He is -- as with all liberal Democratic presidential candidates -- a severe danger to the second amendment.
historically Democrats sponsor and hammer through 99% of gun control / anti 2nd Amendment laws. Look at the damage done to gun owners rights during the 8 years of Clinton - and add that knowledge to what Obama Bin Hussein or whatever his name is and Biden
they HATE the 2nd Amendment and will walk all over it gleefully - I have no doubts
Or just look at us out here in California! Now, just imagine the WHOLE COUNTRY like that!!![:@]
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I love Christmas lights. They remind me of the people who voted for Obama. They all hang together; half of them don't work, and the ones that do, aren't that bright.
For those who understand, no explanation is needed. For those who do
not understand, no explanation is possible.
A golf course is a willful and deliberate misuse of a perfectly good rifle range.
A renewal of the Assault Weapons Ban is a given. The appointment of at least 2 SCOTUS justices is likely (the balance of power in the court won't likely shift, but it certainly won't become more favorable for gun owners). Federal intrusion on concealed carry state laws is a possibility. Consideration of the Brady group's call to ban "sniper rifles" (.308, .30-.06, etc.) isn't outside the realm of possibility.
That's a start.
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Guns, Hunting, and 2nd, will never be taken away from americans.. Dems are Hunters and sportsman, even larger numbers than Republicans. This is a scare tactic...wich got Bush elected.
Dems are Hunters and sportsman, even larger numbers than Republicans.
You are a very foolish man. Of course some hunters and sportsmen are Democrats. But which party has been responsible for virtually every major gun control initiative of the last 20 years? Duh.
As for "guns will never be taken away," who do you think is going to believe that garbage? So-called assault weapons were already taken away once, except we fortunately had a Republican Congress in place that refused to renew the ban before the existing guns became obsolete. And they will be again if Democrats have control of Congress and the White House. They may very well be taken away if McCain is in the White House, but with Obama it is a given. And the same people who dreamed up the notion of outlawing AK-47s and SKSs are now targeting all-American deer hunting calibers like the .308 and .30-.06.
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Politics, it seems to me, all too long, has been concerned with right or left instead of right or wrong. ~Richard Armour
Obama/Biden and Gun Control
). But, will his presidency have a greater chance at incrementally tearing at the freedom thru one device or another? Absolutely. And even if it's only a slightly greater chance, in my mind, over the potential presidency of McCain, I still wouldn't want an even n-th degree more than I have to have, understand??
