Could Obama get replaced on top of the ticket?

[Fieldmouse]

Schumer isn't happy. Others in the party aren't happy and really worried about loosing this fall. So then let's read this in regards to what Hillary is up to behind the scenes.

http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/08/could_obama_lose_the_nominatio_1.html

August 07, 2008
Could Obama still lose the nomination?
By Denis Keohane






[/align]Will Hillary outsmart Obama and take the nomination at the last minute?


Many of us familiar with Hillary Clinton's approach to achieving her goals refused to believe that she ever gave up all hope of winning the nomination and the presidency. Her words and actions on the subject of theconvention itselfalways left the door open for a return, should Obama falter or suffer some calamity.

Her artfulevasionswere enough to lull journalists and (more importantly) Obama and his supporters into the presumption of inevitability. No further rumblings of a mass protest in Denver should the first black candidate be denied his rightful due were heard. After all,he received enough publicly expressed support from super delegates to put him over the top. And he won the popular vote in the primaries, we were assured, lending legitimacy to the super delegates who voiced their support.

Everyone presumed the presumptive nominee was a lock.

[/align]Now there are a few signs that Hillary may be making her move. [/align]

- Blogger Patterico alludesto the Hillary Clinton campaign burning up the phone lines to the super delegates.

- Bill Clinton told ABC News, "I am not a racist" and contended the race card was played against him. Even when prompted in the same interview to state that Obama was ready for the Presidency, he did not deliver.[/align]

- Hillary's PUMA ( short for "Party Unity My A--.") supporters in Denver and nationally plan a rally at a Denver park during the convention.[/align]

- ABC news reported yesterday that Hillary Clinton does not rule out putting her name in nomination,contradicting earlier press reports.[/align]

Many people, including no doubt a goodly number of nervous Democrat super delegates,are asking themselves the David Brooks' question about Obama's standing in the polls: "Where's the landslide ?" After evaluating him for several months, voters in the middle still aren't ready to embrace him. [/align]

National polls show not only a tightening of the Obama-McCain race to a statistical dead heat but momentum toward a McCain lead, something inconceivable only weeks ago. The specter of an Obama collapse has to haunt more than a few super delegates.[/align]

Buyer's remorse seemed evident and growing among many Democrats toward the end of their primary season when Obama lost again and again to Clinton, even as the delegate math was by then stacked in his favor. That remorse was put on hold (but apparently not resolved) by Obama's seeming to secure the nomination and the subsequent popular boost he enjoyed at first. But lately the candidate with a difference has had a hard time living up to his promise to be a new kind of politician. [/align]

According to RealClearPolitics,Obama has 1766.5 pledged delegates, 352 short of the 2118 needed to secure the nomination. He also has 463 super delegates, which puts him over the top -- if they hold. If a combination of Clinton campaigning and nervousness can cause a hundred and twenty or so super delegates to sit out the first ballot, Obama does not get the nomination on the first ballot and perhaps not at all. After that first vote a great many pledged delegates and all the super delegates are free to vote as they choose.[/align]

How much pressure could there then be for the forty-seven year old Obama to take the VP spot under Hillary, with the understanding that he would as such be the next Democrat in line for the top nomination whether Hillary won or lost, served one, two or no terms?[/align]

It looks like Obama's belief in his inevitability may have led him into a blunder, making it easier for Hillary supporters to prevent a nomination on the first ballot. After that point, anything goes, as all super delegates and many pledged delegates are free to vote their preferences.[/align]

After accepting the party's decision last June to seat the delegates from Michigan and Florida but with half votes, only days ago Obama said he wanted the delegates to have full votes [/align]

Obviously, he said this believing he has won the nomination and that pandering to voters in critical general election states is of more importance. [/align]

If the party goes along with Obama's request, it reduces the number of super delegates who would need to sit out the first ballot for Obama to be denied the nomination, opening the way for Clinton! Ouch![/align]

This is proof that the man should not be negotiating with Ahmadinejad. If he cannot think strategically and recognize his vulnerability to a last minute ambush at the convention, he would be eaten alive in big league world affairs.[/align]

Worst of all, in his letter to the Credentials Committee arguing in favor of full votes for the two delegations, he writes:[/align]

[blockquote]
Democrats in Florida and Michigan must know that they are full partners and colleagues in our historic mission to reshape Washington and lead our country in a new direction.[/align][/blockquote]


These words tacitly argue for acceptance of the popular vote results in those states. Obama cannot see one step ahead, for adding them to the vote count would give the Democratic primary season popular vote majority to Hillary.
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There are about three weeks to the delegate voting. Things can still happen or even, assometimes suspectedwith the Clintons, be made to happen.[/align]

[Steve863]

Didn't you make a prediction tha Obama wouldn't be on top of the ticket come November? I highly doubt it will be anyone other than Obama. Besides, what makes everyone think that Hillary would be a better bet? She has plenty of baggage and is even MORE polarizing than Obama to many in this country.

[Champlain Islander]

Hillary Vs Obama......don't know which one is worst. To be honest I think if I had to vote for one I would take ,,,,,,,,,,,, gulp.......her.[:@]
Of course Duane predicted she would win the presidency a long time ago. I guess that bet still is open ended.

[Fieldmouse]

ORIGINAL: Champlain Islander

Hillary Vs Obama......don't know which one is worst. To be honest I think if I had to vote for one I would take ,,,,,,,,,,,, gulp.......her.[:@]
Of course Duane predicted she would win the presidency a long time ago. I guess that bet still is open ended.

So did VC don't forget.

Didn't you make a prediction tha Obama wouldn't be on top of the ticket come November? I highly doubt it will be anyone other than Obama. Besides, what makes everyone think that Hillary would be a better bet? She has plenty of baggage and is even MORE polarizing than Obama to many in this country.

But Steve, they want to win so bad this year. They are having major doubts right now with Obama. He is screwing up right and left. His poll numbers are bad. He should be way ahead at this point but he's not. Chucky Schumer is hammering him for not firing back. All is not well in the Dem party right now.

As far as Hillary goes, you are correct. She isn't any better but is in position to win at the convention. Remember it's the super's who will decide this not the voters. If they would screw Obama the brothers would not stand for it. They will revolt even if Obama was demoted. That means they would have to pull a lauttenberg and get a whole new canidate for the top of the ticket. It's not that far fetched anymore is it when it's in the name of winning.

[sachiko]

I can't believe Clinton would try that. A huge block of reliable Democrat voters would be totally ticked off.

But it would be a huge plus for McCain if she managed to do it.

It would also bring out of the woodwork all those people who would vote for anyone just to vote against Hillary Clinton.

[Steve863]

But Steve, they want to win so bad this year.Â* They are having major doubts right now with Obama.Â* He is screwing up right and left.Â* His poll numbers are bad.Â* He should be way ahead at this point but he's not.Â* Chucky Schumer is hammering him for not firing back.Â* All is not well in the Dem party right now. As far as Hillary goes, you are correct.Â* She isn't any better but is in position to win at the convention.Â* Remember it's the super's who will decide this not the voters.Â* If they would screw Obama the brothers would not stand for it.Â* They will revolt even if Obama was demoted.Â* That means they would have to pull a lauttenberg and get a whole new canidate for the top of the ticket.Â* It's not that far fetched anymore is it when it's in the name of winning.

Sure, the republicans want to win badly also. McCain isn't exciting too many people either. I HIGHLY doubt that the democrats would go to the convention and choose someone other than the candidate who did get the most delegates during the primaries. Democrats may not always be the smartest bunch in the world, but this would surely cause a major scandal in the eyes of ALL Americans and it couldn't possibly lead them to a victory in November.

[sachiko]

I suspect the Clintons feel very strongly that she DESERVES the nomination.

She might be just deranged enough to try to pull this off. Or she might be just trying to remind people that she's still a powerful presence. After all, if Obama loses, who gets the nomination next time? Yup.

[Fieldmouse]

Sure, the republicans want to win badly also. McCain isn't exciting too many people either. I HIGHLY doubt that the democrats would go to the convention and choose someone other than the candidate who did get the most delegates during the primaries. Democrats may not always be the smartest bunch in the world, but this would surely cause a major scandal in the eyes of ALL Americans and it couldn't possibly lead them to a victory in November.

I understand steve, however it's the way the Dem's have choosen to elect their representatvie. Neither gained enough delegates to put them over the top. The super's job is not to vote the will of the people but to vote for the stronger candidate who can win this fall. With Obama's stumbling it looks like Hillary just might be the stronger one right now. There was also talk that neither was strong enough and perhaps someone else should take the top of the ticket. That was bantered about before Obama was the supposedly winner.

[hillbillyhunter1]

No matter what was bantered about, nothing like this is going to even remotely happen. I guarantee you. This reminds me of watching golf on Sunday afternoon when the leader is 10 strokes ahead with6 holes to play, has a couple of bad holes, and then the commentators (cause their bored like everybody else) start saying "well if this happened and so-and-so got an eagle then....". The democratic party would never recover from this and they wouldn't be so stupid when, no matter how "bad" Obamas doing, they still have a darn good chance of him winning.

Btw...I'd be just as pleased if everybody would start over with new candidates...totally new.

[Fieldmouse]

Btw...I'd be just as pleased if everybody would start over with new candidates...totally new.

Oh no, we agree again.