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Old 07-27-2008, 12:51 PM   #1
 
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McCain has stooped to smear campaigning, especially about flipflopping issues. He is a leader in flipflops of course.


*Throughout the 90's, McCain urged the senate to ratify the "Law of the Sea convention", and as recently as 2003, he volunteered to testify on behaf of the treaty before a Senate committee, McCain now has done a 180 degree turn on this.

*In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, McCain told far-right activist groups that he now opposes the measure.

*McCain has been both open and closed to a redeploy-perimetr strategy in Iraq.

*McCain said before the war in Iraq, "We will win this conflict, We will win it easily". Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq was "probably going to be long and hard and tough".

*McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v Wade to saying the exact opposite.

*McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn't be allowed.

*McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as "an agent of intolerance" in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans "deserved" 9/11.

*McCain used to oppose Bush's tax cuts for the wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

*In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending dirty money to help finance Bush campaign. In April, McCain reached out to Wylys for support. and got it.

*McCain supported a major campaign finance measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

*McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president, and began to reconcile with Norquist.

*McCain took a firm hand in opposition to torture, then caved in to White house demands.

*McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, before he supported it.

*McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones UN, before he was for it.

*McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he is pro-ethanol.

*McCain was both for and against the state promotion of the confederate flag.

*McCain decided in 200 that he didn't want anything to do with Secretary of state Henry Kissinger, He is now the Honorary co-chair for his pres. campaign in NY.

*And McCain claims to have bitterly diagreed with a failed stratigy in Iraq for more than 3 years, despite having argued the need to "stay the course" repeatedly.

It's a shame what running for the Republican nomination will do to a guy, isn't it?


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Old 07-27-2008, 01:13 PM   #2
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I say, old chap, McCain flip-flop. One of the few things McCain has not flip-flopped on is his insistence on closing the non-existent "gun show loophole."
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Old 07-27-2008, 01:21 PM   #3
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So ifa senator or a congressman changes his mind or change his stance on a position for current circumstance, he is bad? If he can be showed data and talked too with reason, and change his mind, this is a bad thing? But if your close minded, and only hear yourself rattle, and only do things your way, your good?

Both you characters crack me up. You guys just don't get life or understand people.
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Oh, you are soo wrong, just read the post and you will also understand. McCain was the one pushing the flipflop issue, remember?
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Oh, you are soo wrong, just read the post and you will also understand. McCain was the one pushing the flipflop issue, remember?
You do realize its an election year and we are dealing with politicians don't you? You act like your very new at this.

I realize you out to pimp a liberal agenda, andyour playing the same game that is killing our nation. Your taking anything you can out of context or in, and making it into a negative. Same thing the hard right is doing. Both make me ill. Because when the hard left or right does this, you are basically calling the folks in the middle stupid thinking we will believe anything.
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Oh, you are soo wrong, just read the post and you will also understand. McCain was the one pushing the flipflop issue, remember?
You do realize its an election year and we are dealing with politicians don't you? You act like your very new at this.

I realize you out to pimp a liberal agenda, andyour playing the same game that is killing our nation. Your taking anything you can out of context or in, and making it into a negative. Same thing the hard right is doing. Both make me ill. Because when the hard left or right does this, you are basically calling the folks in the middle stupid thinking we will believe anything.

Not pimping anything BC, and the game that is killing our nation has been in office for 8 years. I don't take things out of context, I call it like I see it. Didn't call anyone stupid, that must be your own concious working on you. Just need to have a level playing field, or there is no discussion. Best for you to be alittle more open minded, then you could see both sides.
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Obama hasn't flip flopped on the surge, has he? He still thinks it won't work and isn't working? He might be the only one left who was against the surge and won't admit it worked.
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I am against the surge and it is working only superficially. But then, I am among those republicans that thought the Iraq war was a mistake. What we will be left with is a big happy pile of Shi-ites across 2 borders.

Not looking forward to November elections this year.
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Not pimping anything BC, and the game that is killing our nation has been in office for 8 years. I don't take things out of context, I call it like I see it. Didn't call anyone stupid, that must be your own concious working on you. Just need to have a level playing field, or there is no discussion. Best for you to be alittle more open minded, then you could see both sides.
How have he been killing our nation? We have a democratic controlled congress and senate. Do you understand what that means? They set the rules, they send out the bills, the president and adminiatration just signs or vetos. This is the part where I keep harping on you and you run. You won't acknowledge it. You just act like your blind to these facts.

Do you or do you not understand what it means to have a democratic controlled congress and senate? Its a simple question.

I am all for being open minded, but you have to understand how the system works first. Its taught to 2nd graders but you don't seem to understand.

Your copy and pasting quotes straight from the NYT. But you want us to take you seriously?
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I don'tcare if you take anything I say seriously, you seem to use the word "us" alot, I think that is a sign of being unsure.FYI the system does not work as intended, the president and his barrage of his buddies, lobbiest, speakers, advisors, cabinet, party senators, representatives, commissioners, and powers of the office, have a big effect on how things go. Just go read the archives on every bill brought to the floor in the past 8 years. I think you are a little nieve on just whats going on. How could I possibly want another term, or one day of this mess. By the way mess is a kind word for it
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