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Old 07-24-2008, 09:32 PM   #1
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This take by a reporter is one of the most insightful ones I have seen recently. It bears reading.

"The New York Times' Maureen Dowd points out a visual contrast this week that's going to be remembered for some time. "The image of John McCain in a golf cart with Bush 41 in Kennebunkport " with Poppy charmingly admitting that they were "a little jealous" of all the Obama odyssey coverage " was not a good advertisement for the future, especially contrasted with the shots of Gen. David Petraeus and Obama smiling at each other companionably in a helicopter surveying Iraq. (Asked by a Democratic lawmaker a while back why there weren"t more Democrats in the military, General Petraeus smiled slyly and said "there are more than you think.")"

In a separate piece, the New York Times" Stanley also writes on the visual contrasts. "It wasn"t a television blackout of John McCain; it was worse: split-screen contrasts that at times made it seem as if Barack Obama was on a state visit while back home his opponent chafed at the perks and privileges of an incumbent commander in chief."

More: "While Mr. Obama was shown striding across military tarmacs and inspecting troops standing at attention, Mr. McCain on Monday was seen being driven around in a golf cart by former President George Bush in the resort town of Kennebunkport, Me. Later, the two men spoke to reporters side by side at a waterfront, and they looked more like fellow members of a Past Presidents" Club than a party elder passing the torch to his political heir."

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/2008/07/23/1216686.aspx

Do you think Petraeus is a Democrat?

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Old 07-24-2008, 10:02 PM   #2
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"The New York Times' Maureen Dowd points out a visual contrast this week that's going to be remembered for some time. "The image of John McCain in a golf cart with Bush 41 in Kennebunkport " with Poppy charmingly admitting that they were "a little jealous" of all the Obama odyssey coverage " was not a good advertisement for the future, especially contrasted with the shots of Gen. David Petraeus and Obama smiling at each other companionably in a helicopter surveying Iraq. (Asked by a Democratic lawmaker a while back why there weren"t more Democrats in the military, General Petraeus smiled slyly and said "there are more than you think.")"
So let me get this straight, it's ok to use the troops as campaign props now? FYI, it's not going to play very big there Beau when Obama is still denying the troops any credit for reversing the violence over there. He also slammed Petreaous several times in the speeches he gave. I bet it get's repeated this fall.
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In a separate piece, the New York Times" Stanley also writes on the visual contrasts. "It wasn"t a television blackout of John McCain; it was worse: split-screen contrasts that at times made it seem as if Barack Obama was on a state visit while back home his opponent chafed at the perks and privileges of an incumbent commander in chief."
Yeah, the perks of being retired and spending your hard earned money in a round of golf. Yeah, I'm sure a lot of folks will be upset at that one.

The funny thing is, the more Obama talked over there the more his poll numbers dropped in key states. I don't take stock in number right now but the fact Obama failed to get a bounce after his nomination, he has lost support among dedicated voters, people trust McCain's judgement, I say Obama is in real trouble. I stand by my prediction he won't be on the top of the ticket come November.

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Old 07-25-2008, 06:32 AM   #3
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Hey Beau, how well is this stunt going to go over. In your original post you love the part where Obama's is inspecting the troops visiting with Petreaous, who he disrespects aa soon as he can find a camera. Now he chooses to disrespect our troops even more. It's bad enough when he can't give them credit for winning the war in Iraq through the surge and yet now claims a surge is exactly what is needed over there in Afghanistan. He also votes to cutt off funding and no give them body armor and weapons.

Take a look at this release from his campaign:
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July 24, 2008[/b]
Categories:[/b]Barack Obama
Obama aide: Military visit would have been 'inappropriate'

Obama spokesman Robert Gibbs explains the cancellation of a stop at a U.S. military base in Germany during a leg of the trip paid for (unlike the Iraq and Afghanistan visits) by his campaign:
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During his trip as part of the CODEL to Afghanistan and Iraq, Senator Obama visited the combat support hospital in the Green Zone in Baghdad and had a number of other visits with the troops.
For the second part of his trip, the senator wanted to visit the men and women at Landstuhl Regional Medical Center to express his gratitude for their service and sacrifice. The senator decided out of respect for these servicemen and women that it would be inappropriate to make a stop to visit troops at a U.S. military facility as part of a trip funded by the campaign."
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Some how meeting with foreign leaders dicussing policy when one your not the President and two your not an Ambassador is appropriate. Turning the Holiest shrine in the mid-east into a campaign billboard is appropriate. Visting with our brave men and women wounded in a hospital is inappropriate. Why couldn't he take a little time off instead of taking photo ops shooting 3 pointers with the troops for free campaign advertising and sneek out the back door and visit the wounded troops without the camera's present? Don't tell me there wasn't enough time. He's extended his trip I think by 2 days.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:21 AM   #4
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So let me get this right Beau. All I have to do is be given some well written speeches from pro-speech writers and go over seas and muse with some foreign leaders on my thoughts and now I would be qualified to be POTUS?

We muse all the time here. I travel all the time overseas, and sit in pubs, and exchange my thoughts on foreign policy. Does this make me qualified?
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Keep in mind that when it comes to visits to the Middle East and smoozing with foreign leaders, McCain has been there and done that on multiple occasions. This is something fairly new for Obama, so not surprisingly, he is getting a lot of love. Gonna be interesting in the main elections when Obama tries to make points that are based overwhelmingly on that one brief visit abroad. If McCain is smart, he can gain points by stressing that point. But, dunno if his campaign is bright enough to do it.
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93% of Black Voters support Obama or any other of their race that would have run for Potus. Beau is only proving it by his posts.
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Old 07-25-2008, 10:54 AM   #7
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Let's give Beau the benefit of the doubt and just give him credit for supporting the politician whom he believes willbest support Beau's personal political priorities. For those who support a solidly traditional liberal agenda, Obama is obviously the best man for the job. But beyond that, I think that Buckwheat from the Little Rascals could get the majority of the black vote in a contemporary presidential campaign. But, by the same token, you could have run Wheezer from the little Rascals against a great blackcandidate in a circa-1950 Presidential election and Wheezer would have gottenthe majority of the white vote. Sad but true.
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Sorry, man, your post made me laugh. First off, I don't think I'd call anything that quotes Maureen Dowd "insightful." But that's just my opinion. To the heart of the matter:

John McCain has been solidly behind the troops in Iraq from the start. He's made MANY trips to Iraq since the war began. Barack Obama refuses to go to Iraq for most of his tenure in the Senate, finally meeting David Patreaus in the heart of a presidential campaign in an obvious attempt to garner votes. And because the TV cameras catch him smiling with Gen. Patreaus while McCain is riding in a golf cart, McCain is having a Dukakis moment? LOL. I'm sure you realize that just because the media didn't wet their pants when McCain was overseas doesn't mean that he hasn't visited Iraq several times to get a good handle of what's actually going on over there. I'm quite confident that the American people aren't that foolish.
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Old 07-25-2008, 07:28 PM   #9
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But beyond that, I think that Buckwheat from the Little Rascals could get the majority of the black vote in a contemporary presidential campaign. But, by the same token, you could have run Wheezer from the little Rascals against a great blackcandidate in a circa-1950 Presidential election and Wheezer would have gottenthe majority of the white vote. Sad but true.
I'm not so sure. We've had five or six black presidential candidates (some of them running against candidates on the Alfalfa level) and none got the support Obama enjoys. Must be something about him.
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Obama has obviouslygotten to where he is now by capturing a lot of white votes. However, even if he didn't get the "white vote" and he had lost to Hilary, you can bet that he would have still gotten the majority of the black vote in the process of losing.
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