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Old 07-16-2008, 10:46 AM   #1
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between Obama's flip flops and McCains?

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McCain has changed his stance based on the voice of the voters. Rather interesting for a politician, don't you think?
So can the same be said about Obama's changes of stance?
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Old 07-16-2008, 10:50 AM   #2
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I heard some commentary about this elsewhere. The commentor's perspective was that Obama made it this far by trying to set himself up as something new and different and above that type of thing. Now that it comes out that he is playing the same old game, it is catching people by surprise, includingsome of his own supporters who have been raising hell on his website about some of his "shifts." if McCain flipflops it is nothing newsince he has done it from time to time in recent years.
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between Obama's flip flops and McCains?

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McCain has changed his stance based on the voice of the voters. Rather interesting for a politician, don't you think?
So can the same be said about Obama's changes of stance?
I think the ability to flip-flop at the appropriate time may just become a new political virtue.
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I thought Obama explained his flip flopping very well, he said you adjust as you go along. simple as that
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I thought Obama explained his flip flopping very well, he said you adjust as you go along. simple as that
all according to what a poll says he should be thinking and what he should be saying ,NOT according to what he really feels. Can we say John Kerry.
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Generally speaking, McCain's "flip flops" are more likely attributable to changes of emphasis and nuance, as opposed to complete reversals of opinion.
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all according to what a poll says he should be thinking and what he should be saying ,NOT according to what he really feels. Can we say John Kerry.
or John McCain.


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Old 07-16-2008, 11:47 AM   #8
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Generally speaking, McCain's "flip flops" are more likely attributable to changes of emphasis and nuance, as opposed to complete reversals of opinion.
What about campaign fiance reform that wasn't a complete reversal?



. Taxes. John McCain was one of two Republican senators to vote against President Bush's tax cuts of 2001, saying that he could not support cuts that benefited the rich rather than the middle class. He now favors making the tax cuts permanent.
2. The religious right. During the 2000 presidential campaign, he attacked Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson as "agents of intolerance." He withdrew that remark in a 2006 interview on NBC's "Meet the Press," saying that the Christian right has a "major role to play in the Republican Party."
3. Immigration. Last year, he sponsored a bill that would combine a temporary-worker program and a path to citizenship for many illegal immigrants while also increasing border security. He now emphasizes securing the borders first.
4. Roe v. Wade. In August 1999, he told the San Francisco Chronicle that he would "not support repeal of Roe v. Wade" because it would force women to have illegal abortions. He has subsequently said that he was speaking about the need to change the "culture of America" and that he supports the repeal of Roe, the 1973 Supreme Court decision that legalized abortion nationwide.
5. Ethanol. In 2003, he said that ethanol "does nothing to reduce fuel consumption, nothing to increase our energy independence, nothing to improve air quality." Campaigning in Iowa in August 2006, he described ethanol as a "vital alternative energy source, not only because of our dependency on foreign oil, but its greenhouse-reduction effects."
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Charlie,

Again, most folks would expect stuff like this from a veteran politician like McCain. Obama was supposed to be different. That is why folks are making so much of it.
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Old 07-16-2008, 11:59 AM   #10
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Lanse it comes across as McCains flip flops are good and hardly talked about because he doing what the voters want,Obama's are bad because he doing it to get in office.

Did Obama ever say he wouldn't change his mind has anyone? I was watching Hannity last night, the guy makes me want to punch him in the mouth. If anyone is bad for the country it's poeple that listen and don't question people like Hannity and Limbaugh and the liberal pundits.
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