Iran or the fact that most of the country will blindly believe what ever they are told depending on if there is a D or R after the person's name or which channel they are watching?
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i wish i coulda lived in america 50 years ago... i mean sure, i might haven been sent to vietnam or korea, but i would like to see wut "the good ole days" were like, back when you could believe at least half of what a president said and the public wasnt so whiney...
That people blindly believe. It is quite amazing the poor quality of information that is available to people to analyze and judge public events. I lay this blame at the doors of all media -- both left wing and right wing, both television and print media.
Not to hijack this thread, but for some additional insight into this issue, read Walter Lipmann's "Public Opinion" written in 1922 by a seminal figure in the theory and practice of journalism. Lipmann wrote propaganda for the US military effort in WW-I. Basically, I gather, most of the publically distributed battle information during WW-I was heavily controlled by military organizations to maintain (alternatively, "manipulate"?) the morale of the soldiers and of the public. The basic theme of Lipmann's book was that, because people made their decisions on the information provided by the media -- newspapers at that time -- and because the information provided had to be selective, the process of selection -- by journalists/newspapermen -- was determinative of public opinion: public opinion was a deterministic transform of the selection process of journalists. Journalists make public opinion. It seemed to me that a further theme -- or the "uber-theme" -- of the book was that it was the civilizing mission of the educated, elite journalist to select information to promote progressive ideas and values. I'm tellin' ya, this book is very revealing and relevant to how media acts today. My theory is that the old dogs who run the media show behind the scenes today (Woodward at the Washington Post, just as a random example) probably studied at University -- maybe about 1965 or thereabouts -- under professors who studied at University -- maybe about 1945 or there abouts -- who worshipped at the feet of the refined, educated,urbane Walter Lipmann, and bought into his theory of the civilizing mission of the journalist.
This is just my theory, so beware and subject it to your severest skepticism.
Iran or the fact that most of the country will blindly believe what ever they are told depending on if there is a D or R after the person's name or which channel they are watching?
not sure it's defined very well Charlie. There are a lot of assumptions in tghere. I would say both Iran and those who have blindly followed the liberal and independent thinking are the most dangerous things out there.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
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Both are pretty scary. At least conservatives, for the most part, don't seem to be blind followers of any party. We don't have a problem pointing out the faults and downfalls of politicians regardless of their affiliation. We're almost as disgusted with the Republican party as the Dems.
Chad
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The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
not sure it's defined very well Charlie. There are a lot of assumptions in tghere. I would say both Iran and those who have blindly followed the liberal and independent thinking are the most dangerous things out there.
Spoken like a guy who blindly beilieves anything one party tells him
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At least conservatives, for the most part, don't seem to be blind followers of any party.
Did you manage to type that without bursting into laughter because I couldnt read it without doing it
Actually you personally I believe do have this ability, saying most conservatives do is a joke though, they follow as blindly as the die hard liberals do, at the end of the day thought the difference between the 2 parties gets a little less noticable all the time
Both are pretty scary. At least conservatives, for the most part, don't seem to be blind followers of any party. We don't have a problem pointing out the faults and downfalls of politicians regardless of their affiliation. We're almost as disgusted with the Republican party as the Dems.
Chad
Absolutely, LBR. Unfortunately theHouse Republicans are lacking the conservative leadership and the conservative Dem's, the ones who ran and won by going right of their opponent, are too scared to cross Pelosi. What the Republicans lack is another Newt or Delay to stand up and lead. Boehner isn't a strong enough leader. Things could have moved forward with an effective leader that could gaither the minority and pick up enough new Dems to pass meaningful legislation. Pelosi has effectively block things that she would loose from coming to the floor for a vote. Leadership was required to get them unblocked. At worst case, all it would have taken was a little bone tossed in the direction of the conservative Dems and more would have been accomplished. However, with congress in single digits and absolutely nothing to show for the last 2 years under the Dem's leadership,don't be surprised if the exact opposite of what the drive by media is predicting.
After all, "BIG" Oil is very close to George Bush. He is conspiring with them to keep the price of oil high.The country now knows who the fastest way to lowering pump prices, drilling andthe Dems are blocking it(BTW number one issue on people's mind today not Iraq). Very bad side to be on come this fall. I put this as a Republican advantage. On the other hand, let's say the Dems flip flopand vote for the drilling. I think their hand will be forced to do so without Republican concessions. I wish I was confident in saying the leadership won't cave in on this one. All they have to do is say they want to keep the bills seperate toaddress this issue faster. Why would the Dem's want todelay the lower gass prices with extra legislation?The Republicans still win. "Big" oil is allowed to drill. Increase in good paying jobs and decrease in cost of doing business there by saving jobs and producing growth.The price of oil will drop right away because the future supply outlook will be increased. This I predict will result in huge drops at the pump almost overnight. This will make the Dems also look very bad because their stance has always been to say it won't have anymeaningful effecton theprice at the pump.I put this in the win collum for the Republicans. Heck if gas would fall to under $3.00 that would be seen as a major discount at over 25%.
Thank you Harry and Nancy for this great Fall surprise gift!
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Actually I didn't even crack a smile. I wasn't speaking only for myself, but conservative friends I talk to, and the conservative talk show hosts I listen to on occassion.
Some folks are blind followers--you can label those as "D" or "R". Some of us think for ourselves, and hold to our core values regardless of what letter follows the politicians name, or what they say. Being a conservative doesn't automatically mean you are a Republican, although that party does (or at least used to) represent more of our ideas.
Chad
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"We can have no '50-50' allegiance in this country. Either a man is an American and nothing else, or he is not an American at all."-- Theodore Roosevelt
A wise man's heart is at his right hand; but a fool's heart at his left. Ecclesiasties 10:2
The last four letters in American..........I Can
The last four letters in Republican........I Can
The last four letters in Democrats.........Rats
What's Scarier?
Heck if gas would fall to under $3.00 that would be seen as a major discount at over 25%. 
