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Old 07-08-2008, 08:56 PM   #1
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Default Despite warming, peak's glaciers still grow

Global warming is shrinking glaciers all over the world, but the seven tongues of ice creeping down Mount Shasta's flanks are a rare exception: They are the only known glaciers in the continental U.S. that are growing.

Nearby Indian tribes referred to its glaciers as the footsteps made by the creator when he descended to Earth. Hikers flock to Shasta's peak every summer to scale them.

With glaciers retreating in the Sierra Nevada, the Rocky Mountains and elsewhere in the Cascades, Mount Shasta -- a volcanic peak at the southern end of the Cascade range -- is actually benefiting from changing weather patterns over the Pacific Ocean.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/TECH/science/07/08/growingglacier.ap/index.html?iref=mpstoryview

The Shasta glaciers have been advancing since the end of a drought in the early 20th century. The mountain's smallest glaciers -- named Konwakiton, Watkins and Mud Creek -- have more than doubled in length since 1950.

Until recently, the same phenomenon that is benefiting Shasta's glaciers was feeding glacier growth in southern Norway and Sweden, the New Zealand Alps and northern Pakistan, according to the U.N. Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change.

....i want glaciers to grow...so we can have fresh mountain water when they melt...due to glow-ball warming...
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Ah........ well you changed my mind......... its gotta be a myth if like 1 out of a thousand is getting bigger.

The next thing your gonna tell me is that the part about the fact that the pacific ocean is warming ( glow-ball warming)causing increased percipation in that area is a myth too.
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:41 PM   #3
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nobody contends the veracity of global climate change. This is being observed. The fact that
some areas are heating up and some are cooling, well, that's not global warming. Both are just
theories, except that the screamers from the left are intent on shoving the warming theory down
everyone's throats, when all that's been definitively observed is climate change. Still, I think some
of the measures being touted are good in the long run (note I said SOME) if they result in self-sufficiency
for power in this country. Some, are just plain stupid and are visiting hardship on people....
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Old 07-08-2008, 09:52 PM   #4
 
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nobody contends the veracity of global climate change. This is being observed. The fact that
some areas are heating up and some are cooling, well, that's not global warming. Both are just
theories, except that the screamers from the left are intent on shoving the warming theory down
everyone's throats, when all that's been definitively observed is climate change. Still, I think some
of the measures being touted are good in the long run (note I said SOME) if they result in self-sufficiency
for power in this country. Some, are just plain stupid and are visiting hardship on people....
Oh maybe not all but I guarante there are those super right guys on here will flat out say the whole thing is a myth and just something Al Gore made up.

Come on where are you guys from Alabama time to speak up.....
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:03 PM   #5
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nobody contends the veracity of global climate change. This is being observed. The fact that
some areas are heating up and some are cooling, well, that's not global warming. Both are just
theories, except that the screamers from the left are intent on shoving the warming theory down
everyone's throats, when all that's been definitively observed is climate change. Still, I think some
of the measures being touted are good in the long run (note I said SOME) if they result in self-sufficiency
for power in this country. Some, are just plain stupid and are visiting hardship on people....
Oh maybe not all but I guarante there are those super right guys on here will flat out say the whole thing is a myth and just something Al Gore made up.

Come on where are you guys from Alabama time to speak up.....
Um...not to throw rocks, but isn't Al Bore making millions on his little crusade ? He's as bad as any of 'em,
right or left. The problem is that this is no longer a SCIENTIFIC endeavor, but rather a POLITICAL stance.
Where's the benefit of that ? We either want to be energy-independent or not. We either want to
reduce our affect on the environment or we don't care about it. These are physical things that people should do based on scientific evidence, not political posturing. The fact that I won't be able to buy an incandescent bulb in 2 years chaps my hind-quarters, I'll tell you that, especially since they're 4 times the cost, don't last as long, and the procedure to recover your home environment if one of these mercury bulbs breaks indoors is akin to recovering Chernobyl after the melt-down. Some folks are just getting
carried away. Personally, I think all areas should be explored, not just one or two. So we drill for more oil.
That does not exclude the search for new technologies designed to replace oil, only that we acknowledge that we need oil for now. The political posturing is stifling the free exchange of scientific research which may definitively resolve the issue of whether or not human beings will be able to survive on this planet in the short-term, geologically speaking.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:04 PM   #6
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Global warming is the result ofleft wingliberal/socialist politicians running their mouths too much...........
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:16 PM   #7
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Global warming is the result ofleft wingliberal/socialist politicians running their mouths too much...........
To some extent, I agree. It's always been a theory before, and science was always busy trying to
gather something definitive to prove or disprove the theory one way or another. But it did not become
a 'fact' until the libs grabbed the cat by the tail and starting screaming about the end of the world. In the
70's we were gonna all die because of global cooling, now the same bunch is screaming about global warming.
They stifle scientific research and as such, are stumbling blocks to their own efforts...
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Global warming is the result ofleft wingliberal/socialist politicians running their mouths too much...........
Really so you think the whole thing is made up............. bergall he is exactally what I was talking about in the above post

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nobody contends the veracity of global climate change. This is being observed. The fact that
some areas are heating up and some are cooling, well, that's not global warming. Both are just
theories, except that the screamers from the left are intent on shoving the warming theory down
everyone's throats, when all that's been definitively observed is climate change. Still, I think some
of the measures being touted are good in the long run (note I said SOME) if they result in self-sufficiency
for power in this country. Some, are just plain stupid and are visiting hardship on people....
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Oh maybe not all but I guarante there are those super right guys on here will flat out say the whole thing is a myth and just something Al Gore made up.

Come on where are you guys from Alabama time to speak up.....
I cant beleive one showed up that quick......... your not from AL by any chance.
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Old 07-08-2008, 10:40 PM   #9
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Hehe....well, people need to understand the difference between climate change and global warming.
These are two different animals with their own sets of consequences and circumstances.
Timber's certainly entitled to his opinion, and his observation has some merit in that this was always a theory
until it became a cause celebre for the left. I keep an open mind on the subject, but tend to lean towards climate change rather than global warming. It is more observable...IMO
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Old 07-09-2008, 06:29 AM   #10
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Well what do we already know about this so called global warming BS. We know the origin of man made global warming occurred in Britian and was morphed into this topic. We have over 100 years of the NYT reporting the time to act and save the planet is now, we can't wait and BTW it was global cooling to global warming and it will go back to global cooling. We know that the hottest years on record were in the 30's not the 90's as was reported. We now Al Gore's movie was full of lies, so many it needs a disclaimer read before you can show it to students. He failed to say CO2 amounts in the atmosphere lags global warming not preceeds it. The polar bears weren't issolated on that chunk of ice, it was a myth. His picks of the glaciers falling into the water was computer generated not real. Then add in our temps are now falling not rising despite all this CO2 we are pumping into the air.

Getting back to the CO2 the basis for the alarmist crowd. We know CO2 lags global warming because the ocean is the largest source of CO2 on the planet and they are the last thing to cool and then they will reabsorb the CO2. Plants produce way more CO2 then humans do but I don't hear the calls for us to cut them down. Animals even beat us on producing CO2 yet we allow them to live. Insects even produce more then us. Then as you look into this myth even more you find out there isn't enough CO2 in the atmosphere to even effect global warming. CO2 is only around 32 molecules per 100,000 molecules in the air. It takes us 5 years to add 1 to that number. Furthermore, the number one greenhouse gas is water vapor. We can't even say why the atmosphere doesn't contain more of it then it does. How in the world do you think you can predict a secondary reaction of something found in such little amounts like CO2 when you can even get your hands around water vapor?
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