RE: No Ice on the Poles, just a myth I thought ?????
Just recently, we heard global temperatures dropped last year. Then we heard a human-caused global warming theorist say the earth will cool over the next ten years (coincidentally matching sun cycle activity ) due to ocean currents, "temporarily" disrupting human caused global warming. Now we're hearing that no, there is no cooling? Or will it cool, but be warmer on the north pole? Which is it?The fringe left movement has hoodwinked us into believing no matter what happens, it is due to human caused global warming. EVEN COOLING! BTW, is the south pole still accumulating MORE ice?
RE: No Ice on the Poles, just a myth I thought ?????
Trying todispute a geological climate theory with day to day weather observation [&:]. It just plain doesent work, regardless of which side you are on. There are GW nutjobs who use a daily or yearly record high as 'proof' and there are head in the sand types who use a daily or yearlyrecord low as proof. To understand global trends, you need to understand the geologic time scale, and the fact that particular days, weeks, months, years, and even decades mean very little, and are just a miniscule blip on the radar in the overall scheme of things.
RE: No Ice on the Poles, just a myth I thought ?????
i have a solution, if the north pole does indeed melt, it will obviously raise sea level, to solve this problem, we (the US since we are the big environmentalist nation i guess now) will willingly pump any and all oil out of the sea floor reserves, thus creating huge holes that water can go into, partially negating the sea level raise. but then poor us, we would have so much oil, i dont think we would know what to do with all of it...
RE: No Ice on the Poles, just a myth I thought ?????
Not so much.
Humans didn't start global climate change (its been going on for about 4.6billion years, a hair before our time), and there isn't a darn thing we can do to stop it. But, and thats a big but, our actions, such as burning fossil fuels that were stored in the interior of the planet, and pumping that carbon into the atmosphere does change the rate of climatechange. We know this because we've been able to observe the rate of previous changes, andcompare them to the present. This time is slightly different, and the only wildcard is human activity.
Scientifically, it has reached the level of theory, which should tell you something, as that status carries with it mountains of data, research, and prior debate. ItIS falsifiable (thats what makes it a theory) but there has never been a significant piece of evidence provided which does falsify it. This is not to say human impacted global warmingis the end of the world as we know it,I've never met a geologist who thought the sky was falling like Al Gore seems to, merely that it is something to be aware of, and take action against in ways that wont dramatically change our existence.
RE: No Ice on the Pole, just a myth I thought ?????
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ORIGINAL: shamlin
Even if there is no Ice on the North Pole by the end of the summer, will you still think global warming is a myth.
I dont see how you could argue the fact that humans do not speed up this process
The polar ice caps on Mars are being reduced -- not as an annual phenomenon but as an on-going averaged phenomenon, and at a relatively rapid rate. Interpretation for the witless . . . Mars is experiencing global warming. Now when you can tell me how humans are speeding up the process of climate change on Mars, then I will reply to your question "how can you argue the fact that humans do not speed up this process." I have seen some similar information about Jupiter experiencing climate change, but I'm not so clear on that information so I do not advance that as evidence in a counter argument to "human beings cause global warming."
Many questions remain. If human beings are causing global warming, to what extent are they doing so -- what proportion of climate change is due to human behavior and what proportion is due to other factors, such as sun irradiance? Our information about climate change is closely coupled to our climate models. Before we rely upon our climate models, lets run historical data through these climate models and validate them by producing other historical climate changes including The Little Ice Age, the Medieval Warming Epoch, an extensive drought in the SW United States about 1200 through 1325 AD, and other known climate changes. I submit that these models do not predict these known events. Suppose human beings are a significant cause (90% to 80%) of global warming, what is the solution? I guarantee that Madison, Wisconsin unilaterally outlawing new construction of drive through restaurants (leads to cars idling, creating CO2 unnecessarily)is totally irrelevant in the face of massive expansion of coal fired electrical generating plants in India and China.
The one thing I most commonly hear on the global warming front is increasing taxes on CO2 emissions. How does increasing taxes on CO2 emissions solve the problem? This is just a tax increase, people, just another clever way for the government to shake us down.
There are dissenting voices on the topic of global warming. There is information that doesn't square well with the orthodoxy of global warming (climate change on Mars, for example). The idea that this is a done deal, well understood, jury is out issue is mistaken. I am not anxious to accept a much diminished standard of living on a theory with as many holes as this one has.
RE: No Ice on the Pole, just a myth I thought ?????
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ORIGINAL: Alsatian
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ORIGINAL: shamlin
Even if there is no Ice on the North Pole by the end of the summer, will you still think global warming is a myth.
I dont see how you could argue the fact that humans do not speed up this process
The polar ice caps on Mars are being reduced -- not as an annual phenomenon but as an on-going averaged phenomenon, and at a relatively rapid rate. Interpretation for the witless . . . Mars is experiencing global warming. Now when you can tell me how humans are speeding up the process of climate change on Mars,
We have been sending a bunch of probes up there...
RE: No Ice on the Poles, just a myth I thought ?????
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ORIGINAL: DougMD
Just recently, we heard global temperatures dropped last year. Then we heard a human-caused global warming theorist say the earth will cool over the next ten years (coincidentally matching sun cycle activity ) due to ocean currents, "temporarily" disrupting human caused global warming. Now we're hearing that no, there is no cooling? Or will it cool, but be warmer on the north pole? Which is it?The fringe left movement has hoodwinked us into believing no matter what happens, it is due to human caused global warming. EVEN COOLING! BTW, is the south pole still accumulating MORE ice?
I had heard that cooling has been experienced over the last decade, which totally does not comport with human caused global warming. I don't have a link to that information, and I'm not sure it is vetted. As I say, there are too many chinks and anomalies in the global warming picture for me to volunteer to consume 1/2 the energy I'm consuming today on some ethereal theory of human caused global warming.
Wow, two scientist are trying to predict the future instead of facts. We have more ice there today then this time last year. Why is this speculation any better then the speculation done on oil prices? How about the volcano's that have been erupting up there. Do they play any role at all?
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No Ice on the Pole, just a myth I thought ?????
) due to ocean currents, "temporarily" disrupting human caused global warming. Now we're hearing that no, there is no cooling? Or will it cool, but be warmer on the north pole? Which is it?The fringe left movement has hoodwinked us into believing no matter what happens, it is due to human caused global warming. EVEN COOLING! BTW, is the south pole still accumulating MORE ice?
