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Old 06-11-2008, 10:39 AM   #1
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Putting Children Last
June 11, 2008;PageA22
Democrats in Congress have finally found a federal program they want to eliminate. And wouldn't you know, it's one that actually works and helps thousands of poor children.
We're speaking of the four-year-old Washington, D.C. Opportunity Scholarship Program that provides vouchers to about 2,000 low-income children so they can attend religious or other private schools. The budget for the experimental program is $18 million, or about what the U.S. Department of Education spends every hour and a half.
This fight has nothing to do with saving money. But it has a lot to do with election-year politics. Kevin Chavis, the former D.C. City Council member who sits on the oversight board of the scholarship program, says, "If we were going to do what was best for the kids, then continuing it is a no-brainer. Those kids are thriving." More than 90% of the families express high satisfaction with the program, according to researchers at Georgetown University.
Many of the parents we interviewed describe the vouchers as a "Godsend" or a "lifeline" for their sons and daughters. "Most of the politicians have choices on where to send their kids to school," says William Rush, Jr., who has two boys in the program. "Why do they want to take our choices away?"
Good question. These are families in heavily Democratic neighborhoods. More than 80% of the recipients are black and most of the rest Hispanic. Their average income is about $23,000 a year. But the teachers unions have put out the word to Congress that they want all vouchers for private schools that compete with their monopoly system shut down.
This explains why that self-styled champion of children's causes, Eleanor Holmes Norton, the Congressional delegate from the District of Columbia, is leading the charge to kill the program. Ms. Norton contends that vouchers undermine support and funding for public schools. But the $18 million allocated to the program does not come out of the District school budget; Congress appropriates extra money for the vouchers.
The $7,500 voucher is a bargain for taxpayers because it costs the public schools about 50% more, or $13,000 a year, to educate a child in the public schools. And we use the word "educate" advisedly because D.C. schools are among the worst in the nation. In 2007, D.C. public schools ranked last in math scores and second-to-last in reading scores for all urban public school systems on the National Assessment of Educational Progress.
Opponents claim there is no evidence that the D.C. scholarship program is raising academic achievement. The only study so far, funded by the federal Department of Education, found positive but "not statistically significant" improvements in reading and math scores after the first year. But education experts agree it takes a few years for results to start showing up. In other places that have vouchers, such as Milwaukee and Florida, test scores show notable improvement. A new study on charter schools in Los Angeles County finds big academic gains when families have expanded choices for educating their kids.
If the D.C. program continues for another few years, we will be able to learn more about the impact of vouchers on educational outcomes. The reason unions want to shut the program down immediately isn't because they're afraid it will fail. They're afraid it will succeed, and show that there is a genuine alternative to the national scandal that are most inner-city public schools. That's why former D.C. Mayor Anthony Williams and current Mayor Adrian Fenty, both Democrats, support the program.
"Hopefully," says Mr. Chavis, "Congress will focus on the kids, not the politics here." Barack Obama might call that the audacity of hope, if he finally showed the nerve to break with the unions on at least one issue and support these poor D.C. students.
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Old 06-11-2008, 12:40 PM   #2
 
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Of course they don't want our kids in private school, , It would keep them from being cradle democrats. I wish I recieved a voucher for my sons education but I am not but at this point he has 3 years left of HS before he goes to College.
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vouchers provided by the government for religious schools? what happened to separation of church and state?
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religious or private the article says correct?
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vouchers provided by the government for religious schools? what happened to separation of church and state?
How would that violate the judicially created doctrine of separation of church and state? The vouchers give the recipients the right to spend the money at any school of their choice. Seems to me that it would only violate the so-called separation doctrine if the vouchers were issued upon the stipulation that they could only be used at a religious school.
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How would that violate the judicially created doctrine of separation of church and state? The vouchers give the recipients the right to spend the money at any school of their choice. Seems to me that it would only violate the so-called separation doctrine if the vouchers were issued upon the stipulation that they could only be used at a religious school.

IPSC don't go spouting off common sense HH might not understand that.
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seems to me it would violate it if ANY money were given to students to attend a religious school. you think the government should pay for private education? strange stance for a republican. i though you guys were always less government.
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seems to me it would violate it if ANY money were given to students to attend a religious school. you think the government should pay for private education? strange stance for a republican. i though you guys were always less government
It is less government . The kids get a high quality education and the goverment stays out of the schools business. What's not to like about that?
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seems to me it would violate it if ANY money were given to students to attend a religious school. you think the government should pay for private education? strange stance for a republican. i though you guys were always less government.
How is this "more" government? According to the article, the "government" school costs about $13,000 per student per year, with lousy results. If given the vouchers to attend a private school, the students get a better education for less money... The "government" school is PO'd because they're no longer getting that $13,000. But, the Republicans (and conservatives) are happy because they've just saved $5500 per student and the free market has worked...
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I can see why they're opposing the program, but I really couldn't care less if it's cut or not. Not only do I think that people should pay their own way, but I also believe that low income Americans are poor for a reason.
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