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Old 06-10-2008, 05:33 AM   #1
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Default Gas is about to get cheaper at the pump

Here is what your congress has on it's schedule today to give you cheaper gas.

1) They plan on setting "Reasonable" Profit levels for the oil companies.

Are you too young to remember the 70's? People say
there was a thing called a gas shortage. No there was
no shortage of gas in the 70's. There was government
intervention just like the Dem's are proposing to do
today. This, if they get their way will lead to gas lines.
2) They plan on raising taxes on the oil companies.
Do you really think the oil companies will eat that cost?
You guys on this board who really support the Dems, please explain how the above actions are going to get the cost of oil down?
Also being reported this morning, Iraq is planning on selling us discounted oil for the next two years in thanks of our support for them over there.
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Old 06-10-2008, 06:22 AM   #2
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it will not go down until we leave Iraq IMO
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it will not go down until we leave Iraq IMO
Well then get happy about the prices we will be there for decades.
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Old 06-10-2008, 07:01 AM   #4
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It won't go down until the price of crude isn't manipulated by futures traders. Even Saudi Arabia stated the prices are way too high and couldn't explain why the sudden jump. It is just like the stock market. When people are buying the stock rises. When people aren't the stock goes down. Since crude represents a commodity that is essential to life as most of us know it there will always be a need for it. Cutting back will ease the pain at the pump and have a long term affect of lowering the price, but not substantially. Emerging industrial economieslike India and China will keep the world demand up regardless how the US acts. The reality is this, the world market will gobble up all the crude being pumped keeping prices high. IMO opening up Gulf of Mexico and North Slope of Alaska will provide some relief in the distant future. With that the US needs to build more refineries keep all of our domestic crude here in the states for use in our country and cultivate a trading partner from one of the oil producing countries either in South America or the Middle East. They are all standing there looking for our handouts. What is wrong with putting some strings on that money? Treat us well by selling cheap crude oiland we will provide economic aid and a strong peacekeeping presence as an ally. We have done this by supporting and protecting Israel for all these years and from what I can see have not received anything in return except world disdain.
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http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121305752341459355.html?mod=opinion_main_review_ and_outlooks





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Dubai's Favorite Senators
June 10, 2008
The first refuge of a politician panicked by rising prices is always to blame "speculators." So right on time for this election season, Congress has decided to do something about rising oil prices by shooting the messenger known as the energy futures market. Apparently this is easier than offending the Sierra Club by voting for more domestic energy supply.
Futures markets aren't some shadowy dangerous force, but are essentially a price discovery mechanism. They allow commodity producers and consumers to lock in the future price of goods, helping to hedge against future price movements. In the case of oil prices, they are a bet about supply and demand and the future rate of inflation. Democrats nonetheless now argue that these futures markets are generating the wrong prices for oil and other commodities.

And who are these "speculators" driving up prices? The futures market operator Intercontinental Exchange says that an increasing share of its customers are not financial houses but commercial firms that need to manage oil-price risks "“ refiners, airlines, and other major energy consumers. Another term for these "speculators" would be "American business."
Not ironically, the leaders of Capitol Hill's shoot-the-messenger caucus are among those most culpable for the lack of domestic oil supplies. Senator Maria Cantwell (D., Wash.) has been threatening to hold up appointments to the Commodity Futures Trading Commission until the CFTC increases regulation of oil trading. In the best tradition of bureaucratic self-protection, the CFTC's acting chief Walter Lukken has agreed to investigate.
Ms. Cantwell's recent press release on "outrageous energy prices" didn't mention her own contributions to the problem. According to the Almanac of American Politics, she "successfully worked the phones" in 2005 to round up enough colleagues to block drilling in the Alaskan wilderness. Ms. Cantwell has also backed a slew of mandates and subsidies that have helped to raise food prices by diverting corn and other crops to fuel. She even claims to have helped create the biofuels industry in her state.
Her counterpart in the House is Michigan's Bart Stupak, who claims special credit for a permanent ban on drilling in the Great Lakes and has also cast votes against exploration in Alaska and off the California coast. With $4 gasoline, this is a man in need of political cover as Michiganders head into the summer driving season. A spokesman says Mr. Stupak is hoping to roll out a new bill by the end of this week to require "additional reporting and oversight' in the oil futures markets.
Then there's New York Senator Chuck Schumer, another staunch opponent of new domestic oil supplies. Mr. Schumer has egged on the Federal Reserve's rate-cutting binge that has contributed so much to the oil price spike. But, with impeccable political timing, he now suspects "price manipulation by speculators" is the real cause of rising gas prices.
Mr. Schumer's answer is the "Consumer-First Energy Act," due for a cloture vote in the Senate today. Bundled with a windfall profits tax on oil companies, the plan also includes an increase in margin requirements for those who wish to trade oil futures. This would of course make it more expensive to trade in U.S. futures markets, which in a world of computerized, instantaneous trading means that those trades would merely move to markets overseas. As luck would have it, the Dubai Mercantile Exchange celebrated its first birthday last week with the launch of two new oil futures contracts that compete with those offered by American exchanges.
Leave aside the question of whether Mr. Schumer believes that the Dubai exchange, which is majority-owned by Middle Eastern governments, will offer more consumer protection than America's shareholder-owned exchanges. This is the same Chuck Schumer who warned in 2007 that heavy regulation threatens New York's pre-eminence in global finance. Along with Mayor Michael Bloomberg and former Governor Eliot Spitzer, Mr. Schumer introduced a long report on the threats facing New York with a short note that specifically mentioned Dubai as an increasingly formidable competitor. That of course was not an election year.
If Democrats won't believe futures traders, maybe they'll heed their biggest political funder. When Senator Cantwell invited hedge-fund billionaire George Soros to testify last week, she probably didn't expect the backer of left-wing causes to deviate from her market-manipulation narrative. But among other things, Mr. Soros noted that "Regulations may have unintended, adverse consequences. For instance, they may push investors further into unregulated markets which are less transparent and offer less protection."
Democrats will find that moving jobs to Dubai from New York and Chicago will not end the commodity inflation that they themselves have helped to create.
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Old 06-10-2008, 07:18 AM   #6
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Champlain Islander if that were true, speculation of droughts in 2009 could drive corn prices to $500 a bushel

That will not happen though, because there is supply vs demand which oil doesn't have

No, the oil producres fix the prices, do not think they don't, and BTW who do you think hedges those commodity markets anyway ?

Thats right, the oil companies and oil producers .....
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Champlain Islander if that were true, speculation of droughts in 2009 could drive corn prices to $500 a bushel

That will not happen though, because there is supply vs demand which oil doesn't have

No, the oil producres fix the prices, do not think they don't, and BTW who do you think hedges those commodity markets anyway ?

Thats right, the oil companies and oil producers .....
I take it you didn't read the article?
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Old 06-10-2008, 07:41 AM   #8
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I've played futures, options and the commodities markets, making a nice profit in wheat, gold and coffee, lost my ASS on oil ....... I know a thing or two about how it work, that article is just something someone wrote up for his daily/weekly column
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I've played futures, options and the commodities markets, making a nice profit in wheat, gold and coffee, lost my ASS on oil ....... I know a thing or two about how it work, that article is just something someone wrote up for his daily/weekly column
I'm sorry BD. I stand corrected. Didn't know you were big oil and part of the problem.
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Old 06-10-2008, 05:11 PM   #10
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Champlain Islander if that were true, speculation of droughts in 2009 could drive corn prices to $500 a bushel
Pretty good predictor there Duane. Todays corn futures were at all time record levels and climbing. It won't hit $500 a bushel but then again if someone 2 years ago said we would be at $5.00 a gal for gas we would have told them they were crazy. I thought $2.50 was real bad at the time because the prices were only rising a few cents over longer periods of time but now that we are in the ride, seeing it pass $4 didn't bother me.
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