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Old 05-20-2008, 03:02 PM   #1
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http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,356710,00.html
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An act of bravery to defend a co-worker has cost a Minnesota gas-station attendant his job.

Mark Beverly, an overnight shift supervisor at a SuperAmerica in Roseville, Minn., was fired in March after he jumped on a masked robber who he believed was attacking a fellow employee.

SuperAmerica said he violated company policy when he came to his colleague's aid in the early morning of March 26. So instead of accolades, Beverly got the boot.

Adding insult to injury, Beverly "” who is still looking for another job "” has been denied unemployment benefits. He will appeal that decision on June 5.

The trouble began around 3 a.m. when Beverly was cleaning the bathroom and his female co-worker was behind the cash register. Beverly said he heard her scream, so he ran out and saw a robber wearing a blue-stocking cap jostling with her.

"It looked like he was hurting her, so I jumped on him," Beverly said. "I just tried to bang him on the counter a couple of times."

After a tussle, he said, the robber regained his footing and looked as if he was going to pull out a weapon. Beverly said the man told him, "Don't be a hero," before fleeing the store with about $15.

Beverly called police and reviewed security tapes with his managers before completing his shift. "Everything was fine," he said.

The next day, however, he was fired for violating company policy.

Marathon Petroleum Company, the owner of the SuperAmerica chain, said Beverly was told what to do in the company handbook "” which advises employees to "cooperate: don't argue, resist or attack the robber" "” and through a computer-based training program Beverly was required to complete when he was hired.

"He endangered himself and her, and that"™s why we have the policy," said Linda Casey, a Marathon spokeswoman. "And we have enforced it with other employees, not just with him."

"I just thought it was wrong, that's all," said Beverly, who had worked at SuperAmerica for just over a year. "You're not really trained for a robbery, and that was the first robbery I have ever been in, in my life."

Capt. Rick Mathwig of the Roseville Police Department said authorities advise people not to take action when faced with a robbery.

"When you start resisting at some way shape or form, the suspect who may not have intended on using the weapon that he or she came with may use it intentionally or unintentionally when faced with a conflict," he said.

Roseville police have listed the case as inactive as they have not been able to identify the robber. The only image of him is partial profile and his face is obscured by the stocking cap, Mathwig said.

The security tape did not show the female co-worker struggling with the robber over the cash-register drawer, Casey said.

"The female employee was never attacked," she said. The robber reached in and grabbed cash out of the drawer.

"We have a statement from both [Beverly] and the female employee," Casey said. "Neither one of them say anything about her being attacked, hurt or anything, and the video we have substantiates it."

Beverly said that from his vantage point, he thought she was being attacked.

"With both of them so close it looked "” from the angle that I was at "” it looked like she was being attacked," he said.
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Old 05-20-2008, 03:33 PM   #2
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So lame, they forget the other side of the arguement? What if the perp is going to kill you anyways or fly your airliner into a building.......baaaaaaaaa
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Old 05-20-2008, 03:40 PM   #3
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So lame, they forget the other side of the arguement? What if the perp is going to kill you anyways or fly your airliner into a building.......baaaaaaaaa

To hell with company policy....bite his face off if you have to !
YOu can always get another job someplace else, especially a crappy one.
But under threat of violence, you should ALWAYS assume you're going to be
harmed unless you take action, not the other way. Our little counter clerk
should go out and get himself a scheister lawyer and sue these pukes as publicly
as possible, for millions. Cite their failure to secure the work environment if the employees
are forbidden to defend themselves. See how that plays with the corporate pukes.....
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Old 05-20-2008, 03:45 PM   #4
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Agreed.....dont lay down for anyone unless they have a gun to your head and even then, look for a way to turn it around.This guy had surprise on his side and did the right thing.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:14 PM   #5
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Agreed.....dont lay down for anyone unless they have a gun to your head and even then, look for a way to turn it around.This guy had surprise on his side and did the right thing.
You got that right ! I wonder how many 52-year-olds matriculate in Law school ?
I swear I'd love to rip these pukes a new one... This constitutes official, corporate-sanctioned
nutlessness. A mentality of defeat, terror and compliance. If I could, I'd offer that kid a job,
again, very publicly.
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Old 05-21-2008, 03:35 PM   #6
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"Capt. Rick Mathwig of the Roseville Police Department said authorities advise people not to take action when faced with a robbery.

"When you start resisting at some way shape or form, the suspect who may not have intended on using the weapon that he or she came with may use it intentionally or unintentionally when faced with a conflict," he said."

I gotta puke. Yep, another "expert" telling us to "just give them what they want." BTW:That includes female bodies. "Just give them what they want" was the policy with hijacked airplanes for 40 years. It worked so well on 9/11.



Lubricious, is that the latest iteration of a bomb suit?

Looks like that thing could contain a body that has been reduced to jello.


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Old 05-21-2008, 04:27 PM   #7
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It sure is, the EOD-9. Mostly just helmet upgrades....integrated lights, better suspension, flip up visor, better sound amp, fans, defogger and more that I cant remember. Very sweet.
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Companies like that should just hang a banner over their store reading:

"Totally defenseless, please rob us. Oh, and please don't forget to pistol whip and ass rape our equally defenseless clerk on your way out. Have a nice day!"

The echoing statement from the LEO was even more disturbing, scared for your job, aszhole? [:@]
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Old 05-23-2008, 04:25 AM   #9
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Companies like that should just hang a banner over their store reading:

"Totally defenseless, please rob us. Oh, and please don't forget to pistol whip and ass rape our equally defenseless clerk on your way out. Have a nice day!"

The echoing statement from the LEO was even more disturbing, scared for your job, aszhole? [:@]
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Many years ago, a TV weatherman, "Tex Antoine" (channel 7 in NYC before it became
'eyewitness news') was commenting on a high profile rape case and stated that women should not
try to defend themselves...just sit back and enjoy it. He was fired same-day. Seems like the seeds
of that flip comment have taken root in corporate policy, law enforcement and government.

I remember back in the early 80's there was a wave of robbery/murders of NYC taxi drivers. It seemed
like they were easy prey, with 2 or 3 dead cabbies a week, each found in their cars, shot from behind.
I had worked late in Manhattan and took a company-paid cab home from work. The driver was a
Russian guy (how DIFFERENT ! Now we have arabs, indians and pakistanis driving the cabs) and when I
peeked over the back of the seat, saw he had an old .45 auto on the front seat under his clipboard.
I asked him if he was not afraid he'd go to jail for an 'illegal weapon' (this was immediately following the
Bernie Getz shootings and subsequent 1-year mandatory jail sentence for illegal weapons posession). He
turned around and told me in some pretty thickly accented English: Better judge by 12 than carry by 6.
That's a piece of advice I take to heart.

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