Obviously, being involved in the Environmental Sciences, sustainability and conservation are both huge topics of discussion in any circle into which you enter. However, today was the first time that I had heard that some super-liberals beleieve that recycling is just some sort of ploy developed by dems and that the costs actually outweigh the benefits and there is no ReAl benefit to recycling. What do you all think? Do you recycle or is it a waste of time?
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RE: Recycling: Do it or Not?
Oh,the days of environmental science. Have you got out with gaschromatographs and test for solvents? Boat loads of fun. We ended up busting three farms from over 5 miles away for having rusted out gas tanks that were leeching in the soil.
As for recycle. Isn"™t that kind of a no brainer. Demand is there, and to lessen effects of synthetic polymers, recycling and reusing is kind of a no brainer. This just proves that extreams on either end is a bad thing. I recycle.
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NYC recycling program costs millions of extra dollars. The problem with it, nothing gets recycled. That may have changed in the last few years, but I don't think so. All recycled materials went to the dump because no body wanted it. The program costs millions to run but the libs argued it took so long to train our residents to seperate the garbage, why abandon that?
Recycling started many years ago when a barge fron NYC had no place to go. It was pushed and pulled al over the place, thus the "We're running out of Landfill space". That was the birth of recycle now, save our planet. Sure sounds like Global Warming of today. True be told, that lonely little barge had no place to go because no one would certify there was no hazardous chemicals on board. It had nothing to do with running out of room.
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Recycling started many years ago when a barge fron NYC had no place to go. It was pushed and pulled al over the place, thus the "We're running out of Landfill space". That was the birth of recycle now, save our planet. Sure sounds like Global Warming of today. True be told, that lonely little barge had no place to go because no one would certify there was no hazardous chemicals on board. It had nothing to do with running out of room.
I recall reading about that incident. I think recycling started a long time before that. I can recall doing Boy Scout paper drives for recycling newspapers back in the 60's. The paper mills would pay us $30 or so per ton for the paper...
We currently recycle newspaper, aluminum cans, and plastic bottles...
Personally, I think one of the problems with recycling is that people look to recycling as an answer to problems with excess solid waste. However, in many cases, recyclable materials are recycled once and then in turn turn turned into some nonrecyclable material, which does nothing but add to the amount of waste which needs a place to go. For example, when we going to the grocery store, IMO it is better to purchase a reusable grocery bag rather than use recyclable paper bags because even if you do recycle the bags once, it is not guaranteed that they won't end up in a landfill next time. Recycling is definitely a good thing, but taking the next step and avoiding using materials as such at all is just as important as well.
Recycling started many years ago when a barge fron NYC had no place to go. It was pushed and pulled al over the place, thus the "We're running out of Landfill space". That was the birth of recycle now, save our planet. Sure sounds like Global Warming of today. True be told, that lonely little barge had no place to go because no one would certify there was no hazardous chemicals on board. It had nothing to do with running out of room.
I recall reading about that incident. I think recycling started a long time before that. I can recall doing Boy Scout paper drives for recycling newspapers back in the 60's. The paper mills would pay us $30 or so per ton for the paper...
We currently recycle newspaper, aluminum cans, and plastic bottles...
You know, yor correct about that but that was for money/fundraising I recall. I remember doing news papers whn in boys scoutsand I thought it was used for packing materal or something. However, the big push was because of that stupid barge.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
I do sort my trash and send out things -- a lot of things -- in the recyclables bin. I believe recycling is beneficial, but I am not knowledgeable. The paper products are recycled and does save trees. Is this on net either a cost savings or better for the environment, all things considered? I don't know.
I will say that I have a strong belief that recycling aluminum is beneficial. We use a very, very large amount of aluminum metal in the US (beverage cans, automobiles, other stuff). Milling aluminum out of aluminum ore -- bauxite -- is VERY, VERY, VERY energy intensive, specifically electricity intensive. My expectation is that a lot of energy is conserved by melting and reusing recycled aluminum.
I am not an environmental nut, but I do appreciate the environment and I think it is prudent and wise to be efficient and not wasteful of resources. It seems to me that recycling fits in well with these values of efficient, wise, prudent use of resources. Another thing to think of is that if you don't recycle -- glass, plastic, aluminum -- it must be hauled to the landfill, creating a large dump of garbage.
However, today was the first time that I had heard that some super-liberals beleieve that recycling is just some sort of ploy developed by dems and that the costs actually outweigh the benefits and there is no ReAl benefit to recycling
Understand that the 'super-liberals' that you are talking about have a completely different vision for society than most people which involves the following: human population reduced by 9/10ths, everyone lives in community dung huts, no power consumption by means of using a natural resource, all food grown in community plots, etc. They basicly want to turn back the clock 15,000 years- not for themselves, but for everyone else.
Yes recycling is a no-brainer. I'm as far away from a non-showering granola gritting bunny hugging neo-hippie enviro-wackoist as a person can be, but I fully support recycling. I even recycle my brass from shooting- either to the reloading press or to the metals dealer, I also go as far as to recycle wheelweights into new bullets
There have been some waste-handling companies that have and dodump recycleables into landfills- this is usually because they are able to double dip and offer two services and charge for both while bribing politicians to look the other way with how they actually handle the recycleables.
Its no shocker that they picked the 'waste management' industry as where Tony Soprano did his business in.
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Recycling: Do it or Not?
