What the hell is going on here. You take away the Pleage of Allegiance, yet you allow my tax dollars to fund the muslim religion? Great Job Minnesota[:'(]
I read the article. Sounds alarming but maybe not. Everything I read characterized things that the school did to accommodate devout Muslims complying with their religious duties. We all know Muslims pray 5 times per day at specific times. If your school doesn't allow you to comply with this obligation it is kind of tough, if you are a Muslim. I don't know, but if there are specific cleaning rituals specified by Islaam, it doesn't cause me great pain to see the school support the students in complying with those rituals. Sure, it sounds strange and foreign. At the same time, do you suppose in some predominantly jewish public schools kosher food preparation rituals may be observed? That sure sounds foreign to me, also. When I was growing up in a small rural community in Illinois the cafeteria menu was aligned to permit catholic students to comply with their food rituals -- no meat fridays, no meat during lent (some of these strictures changed with Vatican II in early 60s, but before that meat was prohibited for 40 days during Lent).
I would be much more interested in the teaching curriculum, I didn't see any information or characterization of that. Additionally, I would see to it that the school leader was promptly given high quality training on how to use a flag pole and to comply with the state ordinances that schools fly the US flag and that this leader, likewise, convey his newly acquired flag raising knowledge to his subordinates.
I read the article. Sounds alarming but maybe not. Everything I read characterized things that the school did to accommodate devout Muslims complying with their religious duties. We all know Muslims pray 5 times per day at specific times. If your school doesn't allow you to comply with this obligation it is kind of tough, if you are a Muslim. I don't know, but if there are specific cleaning rituals specified by Islaam, it doesn't cause me great pain to see the school support the students in complying with those rituals. Sure, it sounds strange and foreign. At the same time, do you suppose in some predominantly jewish public schools kosher food preparation rituals may be observed? That sure sounds foreign to me, also. When I was growing up in a small rural community in Illinois the cafeteria menu was aligned to permit catholic students to comply with their food rituals -- no meat fridays, no meat during lent (some of these strictures changed with Vatican II in early 60s, but before that meat was prohibited for 40 days during Lent).
I would be much more interested in the teaching curriculum, I didn't see any information or characterization of that. Additionally, I would see to it that the school leader was promptly given high quality training on how to use a flag pole and to comply with the state ordinances that schools fly the US flag and that this leader, likewise, convey his newly acquired flag raising knowledge to his subordinates.
Great post Alsatian, I am just getting fed up with all this PC crap. Where does one draw the line with religion in public schools?It seems like there's a double standard here. How can one publicly funded school have more leway towards religion then all the others. What would the procedure be if a christian joined this public school? ( I highly doubt one would, I'm just saying this because it is in fact a public school).
I have responded about the specific situation that catalyzed this thread above. With respect to funding our own demise, I think that is possible. But we are not very aware, I think, of what it is that could be dieing or of what we are allowing to die. I think the US has some very unique principles, but I feel that people are either not clearly taught those principles or are not adequately compelled to adopt those principles. In my view, if these principles are kept in view and adhered to, our nation can remain strong and remain united even under the stress of accepting large numbers of peoples from other cultures and circumstances.
I think these principles can best be understood and appreciated by studying and understanding the founding documents of our nation -- the declaration of independence and the US constitution. Government is NOT a sugar daddy to be dependent upon and to make up for your own lack of personal initiative or education. Government is NOT the solution to all your problems. Life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Not (1) low cost public housing, (2) special quotas to accommodate historical conditions, (3) bail outs for businesses that got them selves somewhere they ought not to have been in the first place. This is too deep of a topic to go into here, but it is very fundamental. At a very high level, perhaps, it might be sufficient to observe that we are free and on our own to take care of ourselves. People have come to think of our government as a path to milk the system for their own benefit, to get a step up on someone else. If government didn't get their fingers into every little thing, there would be less of this tendency.
If the government provides the context for free behavior and enforces reasonable laws to protect the rights of the weak -- the word "reasonable" is key -- thereafter we are on our own. Katrina victims -- you are on your own. Mississippi flood victims -- you are on your own. San Francisco earthquake victims -- you are on your own. Hurricane Gilbert victims -- you are on your own. Bosnia -- you are on your own. Israel -- you are on your own. Sub-prime mortgage folks -- you are on your own. The government getting their hands into everything and people coming here to the US to "cash in" rather than to avail themselves of a free environment in which to build their own lives with their own energy and talents is going to be our downfall, not a muslim school in Minnesotta. While this may be viewed as a naieve point of view -- I would argue that in over 50% of the occasions where this analysis could be applied to big-ticket items, a solid case could be made that it would be better to not involve the US government.
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RE: Muslim School Being Funded With Your Money
At least they are investigating it. When I read the title to this thread I was going to say that this goes against separation of church and state.
I just want to know if they would accommodate other religions needs. Im sure a Christian or a Jew would get just the same consideration, yea right. Personally I hope they get busted and their funding yanked. The article states Islam is being taught, or at least being practiced with school support. That is illegal. And since schools are getting busted all the time for having a prayer at school events said out loud, this cannot be o.k.. And when are principals so dumb as to not know how to work a flag pole. That alone gives off a very profound stink of a rat. This school needs to have it funding yanked, and probably needs to be closed down.
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I tried a search in the Politics forum and came up with no results so, I think this may be a good thread to ask this question in (if it is too off topic let me know, I don't want to hijack).
What can a Charter Schoolteach or accomodatethat a regular Public School can not?
The reason I ask is because a new Charter School opened in my town and it is extremly popular here. Especially with parents who would be sending their kids to private schools. I was talking to a lady (who has 2 of her kids going to the Charter School) at my daughter's softball game and she made a comment about how at the orientation for new students the principle said that would be prayer at the school and they would be saying the Pledge of Allegiance.
I send my kids to a private school in town. My wife and I feel it is right thing to do for our kids. I have nothing against this Charter School but, the enrollment of all the private schools is taking a big hit (decrease). This makes me wonder if it may be a viable alternative to private school but, also makes me wonder how a school like this can be funded by state and/or federal money.
BTW, the lady I spoke with said that when she tried to transfer her daughter from a private school to this charter school, there were 2 spots available for the class she wanted to be in and there were +/- 200 kids wanting the spots.
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At least they are investigating it. When I read the title to this thread I was going to say that this goes against separation of church and state.
I just want to know if they would accommodate other religions needs. Im sure a Christian or a Jew would get just the same consideration, yea right. Personally I hope they get busted and their funding yanked. The article states Islam is being taught, or at least being practiced with school support. That is illegal. And since schools are getting busted all the time for having a prayer at school events said out loud, this cannot be o.k.. And when are principals so dumb as to not know how to work a flag pole. That alone gives off a very profound stink of a rat. This school needs to have it funding yanked, and probably needs to be closed down.
Burnie: I think the test would be whether a public school in a predominantly jewish neighborhood provided kosher food handling in the cafeteria. I am not very knowledgeable about this subject, so grant me some leeway and don't take offense at anything I say, but it seems that some special and extraordinary food handling procedures need to be followed to handle food that qualifies as kosher, and it may even be necessary that a Rabbi inspects and approves the kosher set-up. Supposing this is done anywhere, I would say, at least in that example, similar "religious accommodations" are made for a different faith, in that case Jewish faith. If cafeteria menus are shifted during Lent to provide fish on Fridays while fish is rarely served any other time, I would say that too represents a religious accommodation made for a different faith, in that case the Catholic faith.
Doesn't surprise me. Seems a lot of state education departmentsand county school boards can't run their traditional schools. New charter schools aren't getting any better supervision.
I don't have a problem with schools allowing prayer outside of class or teaching Arabic as a second language (a high school in this area has added an Arabic language programat the request of thefeds), but that flag comment rubs me the wrong way. The school should do whatever it needs to create a good learning environment, but it had better obey the law in the process.
Muslim School Being Funded With Your Money
