Don't forget Obama doesn't lie. He also doesn't want you to have guns
April 5, 2008 - by Bob Owens
Though it should hardly come as a surprise considering his past record and rhetoric, Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama further cemented his left-wing foundations Wednesday by stating that he is firmly against Americans defending themselves with legally concealed firearms.
An eagle-eyed Amanda Carpenter caught Obama"s admission in Pittsburgh"s Tribune-Review.
"I am not in favor of concealed weapons," Obama said. "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could [get shot during] altercations."
These remarks are consistent with Obama"s past record on guns, where he favors an outright ban on many classes of firearms.
As noted in a previous article for Pajamas Media from February 22, Obama said in the 1998 Illinois State Legislative National Political Awareness Test that he favored a ban on the sale or transfer of all forms of semi- automatic weapons.
Semi-automatic weapons are those firearms that are self-loading. They fire once per trigger pull, and use the energy generated by the firing cartridge to eject the empty casing and load the next round. They are not to be confused with fully-automatic weapons " most commonly called machine guns " used by the military and some elite police units, which will fire for as long as the trigger is depressed and the firearm has ammunition.
The semi-automatic firearms Barack Obama would like to see banned include rifles and shotguns commonly used for defense, hunting, and many forms of target shooting. This counters his campaign web site, where Obama claims to respect the Second Amendment. Cleverly worded as befitting a lawyer, Obama"s one-paragraph statement says he respects the rights of hunters. The right of using a firearm in self-defense or the defense of others appears nowhere in his statement.
Obama"s recent remarks against the rights of citizens in states allowing concealed carry are hardly surprising. There are presently 39 states that have "shall issue" concealed carry provisions and nine more that have "may issue" laws. Obama"s home state of Illinois is but one of two states in the nation " the other being Wisconsin " that refuse to allow their citizens to apply for a concealed carry license.
The justification for his dismissal of concealed carry rights " "I think that creates a potential atmosphere where more innocent people could [get shot during] altercations" " has long been debunked by scientific data, and is based solely on feelings, not logic.
A liberal Democrat, criminologist Garry Kleck set out to prove that the ownership of firearms didn"t decrease crime. In 1993 he published Point Black: Guns and Violence in America, which stated that Americans used guns for self-defense against criminals as often as 2.5 million times a year " 6,850 times a day. Of those uses, the mere presence of a firearm ended the threat of criminal activity.
John Lott"s More Guns, Less Crime studied data compiled from every U.S. county from 1977 to 1994, and concluded that states with "shall issue" concealed carry laws " "shall issue" meaning that governments must issue a permit unless a citizen is disqualified, versus "may issue" states where citizens have to justify why they would need a permit, and "no issue" states where concealed carry is never an option " and discovered that violent crimes steadily decrease in states where citizens are allowed to carry concealed weapons.
But what of Senator Obama"s specific assertion that more innocent people could get shot during altercations? If the senator wants to decrease the number of innocent people shot, he should start by taking firearms away from the state.
A commonly cited figure from Newsweek for well over a decade notes that "only 2 percent of civilian shootings involved an innocent person mistakenly identified as a criminal. The "error rate" for the police, however, was 11 percent, more than five times as high." Upon reflection, such a figure makes perfect sense.
Civilians in "shall issue" states take intensive formal classes in advance of obtaining a carry permit, and in those classes the majority of the time is spent covering the legal liability, escalation, and justification for the use of deadly force. As a result, permit holders are very careful about deploying their weapons, as simply drawing a firearm when the threat is not warranted could lead to permit revocation and jail time. Far from being trigger-happy, CCH licensees are extremely reserved when compared to the general population.
In those instances where a handgun is used, civilians so rarely shoot innocent victims because they are present for the criminal enterprise, and therefore can easily isolate who the criminals are as the crime is occurring. Police, however, are reactionary in nature and most often show up after a crime has been reported. They arrive at the scene due to second- or third- hand information provided by a dispatcher, and cannot immediately tell criminal actors from innocent victims or bystanders, greatly increasing the possibility of false identification and an erroneous shooting.
Obama has never recognized a right of Americans to use firearms for defense, and has in the past exuded disdain for firearms and their owners. Like so many of his campaign promises, Barack Obama has based his position on concealed carry upon feelings, not readily available facts.
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RE: Don't forget Obama doesn't lie. He also doesn't want you to have guns
Buy up Muzzleloaders and Black Powder, guys. No BATF form, no record ofa firearms purchase. Hell, UPS delivered one to my front door.
Stock up, stock up.
I have 2 ML rifles and one pistol and will have more before election day, trust me.
RE: Don't forget Obama doesn't lie. He also doesn't want you to have guns
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I have 2 ML rifles and one pistol and will have more before election day, trust me.
Because the day after the election if a president were to be elected who wanted to ban guns completely (which is none of the candidates in the race this year) the following day no one would be able to purchase a gun...good point. great idea.
RE: Don't forget Obama doesn't lie. He also doesn't want you to have guns
Obama says he's for reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. Obama thinks DC's ban is constitutional, so therefore in his mind, a total ban is a reasonable restriction. If that doesn't scare the pants off of anyone who visits these hunting forums, you need a checkup from the neckup!
RE: Don't forget Obama doesn't lie. He also doesn't want you to have guns
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ORIGINAL: wahoohunter
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I have 2 ML rifles and one pistol and will have more before election day, trust me.
Because the day after the election if a president were to be elected who wanted to ban guns completely (which is none of the candidates in the race this year) the following day no one would be able to purchase a gun...good point. great idea.
Lighten up Francis, No one said the next day or even the next year. If you don't think it's in Barak's mind and Hillary's mind, as liberal as they are, you're fooling yourself.
Do you honestly think any of the candidates would openly admit to the idea of a gun ban? And get elected?
Are you 12?
RE: Don't forget Obama doesn't lie. He also doesn't want you to have guns
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Obama says he's for reasonable restrictions on gun ownership. Obama thinks DC's ban is constitutional, so therefore in his mind, a total ban is a reasonable restriction. If that doesn't scare the pants off of anyone who visits these hunting forums, you need a checkup from the neckup!
Making such a connection is nothing by a fallacy. You can't say "well because he believes this" in one situation then it will automatically apply to the entire nation. Thats foolhardy as its purely its situational.
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No one said the next day or even the next year. If you don't think it's in Barak's mind and Hillary's mind, as liberal as they are, you're fooling yourself. Do you honestly think any of the candidates would openly admit to the idea of a gun ban? And get elected? Are you 12?
Even if one of them were to be for gun control, it is not as if one person, even if it is the president, can say "no guns" and then the guns will be banned. Also, no one did say "next day or even the next year," but if you were not implying it why did you make a statement such as "...before election day..." implying that election day held some special significance with regards to gun control hm? You honestly think its in Hillary's or Obama's mind to completely get rid of guns if they're elected? get real.
Don't forget Obama doesn't lie. He also doesn't want you to have guns
