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Old 03-31-2008, 06:54 PM   #1
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JERUSALEM " Israel announced plans Monday for 1,400 new homes on land the Palestinians claim for a future state " just hours after U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice ended a peacekeeping mission to the region.[/b]

Jerusalem's city hall announced it would build 600 new apartments in Pisgat Zeev, a Jewish neighborhood in the eastern sector of the city. Soon after, an ultra-Orthodox Jewish party said Prime Minister Ehud Olmert promised to build 800 additional homes in one of Israel's largest West Bank settlements, Betar Illit.

The ultra-Orthodox Shas party is a powerful partner in Olmert's coalition and Olmert needs to keep the hawkish party from bolting to hold on to power. Without Shas, he would lose his parliamentary majority.
Olmert insisted the building would not disrupt peace negotiations.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,343771,00.html

talk about pouring salt into an open wound...[8D]

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Old 03-31-2008, 07:03 PM   #2
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I hear they're also about to start pushing Bedouin Arabs out of the Negev in order to develop new settlements. You know, some of the best fighters in the IDF are those Arab Israelis. Professional warriors and very, very good at killing. One of these days, they just might renounce their citizenship and start killing Israelis instead of Palestinians. Tel Aviv can only push so hard before something snaps. We've got some analysts claiming a Third Intifada is brewing right at this moment...
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Old 03-31-2008, 07:14 PM   #3
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I have long thought that the Israelis were well content -- at least the government -- to leave the issue of a Palestinian state unresolved because the longer that issue remains unresolved, the more territory Israel expropriates. It is very troubling, particularly as we are such a door mat for whatever the Israeli state decides to do. This is totally unjust. It is substantially equivalent to our expropriating all of our lands from the Indians. I'm not ready to give the land back, but that doesn't change the fundamental injustice. Some Israelis say just as much themselves. They realize they are paying a price for expansionism -- expropriation of Palestian lands and the aggrandizement of the Israeli state -- with the blood of their children, the insecurity of their nation, the cost of their military.

If history provides any basis for projecting what is going to happen expect that the Palestinians will not get their own state, the Palestinians will remain divided and unable to present a unified front, the Israelis will continue to munch up pieces of Palestinian territory. There is no external force that deters the Israeli state from this successful strategy. Indeed a third Intifada is highly likely and this will justify further encroachments on Palestinian territory.


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Old 03-31-2008, 07:40 PM   #4
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Isreal is like the kid that pokes the dog in the eye, and cries when he gets bit. They have a right to be in the region, and a right to defend themselves, but if they could just be happy with what they've got, and quit pushing for more, things would stabilize over there. Instead the two sides continue to trade jabs, and in the end, we foot afair portion of the bill.
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Isreal is like the kid that pokes the dog in the eye, and cries when he gets bit. They have a right to be in the region, and a right to defend themselves, but if they could just be happy with what they've got, and quit pushing for more, things would stabilize over there. Instead the two sides continue to trade jabs, and in the end, we foot afair portion of the bill.
They won the West Bank in military victory while defending themselves. Military protocal and UN protocal says it your gain. Think about it.

Isreal, has submited to several peace accords only to be broken by the palistinians. Most of that violence is because of the surrounding states but it's time to say enough is enough. Let's agree with VC111 and realize they respect killing and let's shoot the protesters.
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Isreal, has submited to several peace accords only to be broken by the palistinians. Most of that violence is because of the surrounding states but it's time to say enough is enough. Let's agree with VC111 and realize they respect killing and let's shoot the protesters.
They haven't submitted anything of use to the Palestinians. Israel keeps the best land for itself and refuses to split Jerusalem. The Palestinians have had a long line of idiots at the helm, but that doesn't give Israel carte blanche to do as it pleases.
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Isreal, has submited to several peace accords only to be broken by the palistinians. Most of that violence is because of the surrounding states but it's time to say enough is enough. Let's agree with VC111 and realize they respect killing and let's shoot the protesters.
They haven't submitted anything of use to the Palestinians. Israel keeps the best land for itself and refuses to split Jerusalem. The Palestinians have had a long line of idiots at the helm, but that doesn't give Israel carte blanche to do as it pleases.
Sorry, this is where we split. You can't play games with a teamwith someone else is pulling the strings. I've watched this for years and have watched Isreal bend over back wards for an agreement. Only to be broken by terrorist. Lets let them go on the offensive with no restrictions. Why not? The value alternative is for them to expand settlements. I fully suppoprt that without an outcome to the proxiy war against them. Let them defend themselves. They have proven they can and are willing to fight so let them do it. Why not?
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The only reason they can is because we give them the munitions. We get blamed for everything Israel does. I think that as long as they expect us to arm them, they ought to back off when we tell them to. Right now, they're causing trouble for themselves and us, and we have no say in the matter.
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IfI was sitting in my home one minute and was forced to watch as xsomeone bulldozed it ten minutes later I think I'd take up arms against that country.

Look at the history of what Israel has done to this country and then explain to me why we consider them a friend or an allie.

I see people on here all the time talking about Arabs celebrating the towers coming down but then fail to mention the Israeli secret police that were arrested while watching and celebrating the towers coming down.
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After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli relations. He said: �It�s very good.� Then he corrected himself, adding: �Well, it�s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].�

THERE was
ruin and terror in Manhattan, but,
over the Hudson River in New Jersey, a
handful of men were dancing. As the World
Trade Centre burned and crumpled, the five
men celebrated and filmed the worst atrocity
ever committed on American soil as it played
out before their eyes.
Who do you think they were? Palestinians?
Saudis? Iraqis, even? Al-Qaeda, surely?
Wrong on all counts. They were Israelis "
and at least two of them were Israeli
intelligence agents, working for Mossad, the equivalent of MI6 or the CIA.
Their discovery and arrest that morning is a matter of indisputable fact. To those
who have investigated just what the Israelis were up to that day, the case raises
one dreadful possibility: that Israeli intelligence had been shadowing the al-Qaeda
hijackers as they moved from the Middle East through Europe and into America where
they trained as pilots and prepared to suicide-bomb the symbolic heart of the
United States. And the motive? To bind America in blood and mutual suffering to the
Israeli cause.
After the attacks on New York and Washington, the former Israeli Prime Minister,
Benjamin Netanyahu, was asked what the terrorist strikes would mean for US-Israeli
relations. He said: "It"s very good." Then he corrected himself, adding: "Well,
it"s not good, but it will generate immediate sympathy [for Israel from Americans].
"
If Israel"s closest ally felt the collective pain of mass civilian deaths at the
hands of terrorists, then Israel would have an unbreakable bond with the world"s
only hyperpower and an effective free hand in dealing with the Palestinian
terrorists who had been murdering its innocent civilians as the second intifada
dragged on throughout 2001.
It"s not surprising that the New Jersey housewife who first spotted the five
Israelis and their white van wants to preserve her anonymity. She"s insisted that
she only be identified as Maria. A neighbour in her apartment building had called
her just after the first strike on the Twin Towers. Maria grabbed a pair of
binoculars and, like millions across the world, she watched the horror of the day
unfold.
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Five Israelis were seen filming
As she gazed at the burning towers, she noticed a group of men kneeling on the roof
of a white van in her parking lot. Here"s her recollection: "They seemed to be
taking a movie. They were like happy, you know ... they didn"t look shocked to me.
I thought it was strange."
Maria jotted down the van"s registration and called the police. The FBI was alerted
and soon there was a statewide all points bulletin put out for the apprehension of
the van and its occupants. The cops traced the number, establishing that it
belonged to a company called Urban Moving.
Police Chief John Schmidig said: "We got an alert to be on the lookout for a white
Chevrolet van with New Jersey registration and writing on the side. Three
individuals were seen celebrating in Liberty State Park after the impact. They said
three people were jumping up and down."
By 4pm on the afternoon of September 11, the van was spotted near New Jersey"s
Giants stadium. A squad car pulled it over and inside were five men in their 20s.
They were hustled out of the car with guns levelled at their heads and handcuffed.
In the car was $4700 in cash, a couple of foreign passports and a pair of box
cutters " the concealed Stanley Knife-type blades used by the 19 hijackers who"d
flown jetliners into the World Trade Centre and Pentagon just hours before. There
were also fresh pictures of the men standing with the smouldering wreckage of the
Twin Towers in the background. One image showed a hand flicking a lighter in front
of the devastated buildings, like a fan at a pop concert. The driver of the van
then told the arresting officers: "We are Israeli. We are not your problem. Your
problems are our problems. The Palestinians are the problem."
His name was Sivan Kurzberg. The other four passengers were Kurzberg"s brother
Paul, Yaron Shmuel, Oded Ellner and Omer Marmari. The men were dragged off to
prison and transferred out of the custody of the FBI"s Criminal Division and into
the hands of their Foreign Counterintelligence Section " the bureau"s antiespionage
squad.
A warrant was issued for a search of the Urban Moving premises in Weehawken in New
Jersey. Boxes of papers and computers were removed. The FBI questioned the firm"s
Israeli owner, Dominik Otto Suter, but when agents returned to re-interview him a
few days later, he was gone. An employee of Urban Moving said his co-workers had
laughed about the Manhattan attacks the day they happened. "I was in tears," the
man said. "These guys were joking and that bothered me. These guys were like, "Now
America knows what we go through.""
Vince Cannistraro, former chief of operations for counter-terrorism with the CIA,
says the red flag went up among investigators when it was discovered that some of
the Israelis" names were found in a search of the national intelligence database.
Cannistraro says many in the US intelligence community believed that some of the
Israelis were working for Mossad and there was speculation over whether Urban
Moving had been "set up or exploited for the purpose of launching an intelligence
operation against radical Islamists".
This makes it clear that there was no suggestion whatsoever from within American
intelligence that the Israelis were colluding with the 9/11 hijackers " simply that
the possibility remains that they knew the attacks were going to happen, but
effectively did nothing to help stop them.
After the owner vanished, the offices of Urban Moving looked as if they"d been
closed down in a big hurry. Mobile phones were littered about, the office phones
were still connected and the property of at least a dozen clients were stacked up
in the warehouse. The owner had cleared out his family home in New Jersey and
returned to Israel.

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