Hundreds of U.S. Marines have been killed or injured by roadside bombs in Iraq because Marine Corps bureaucrats refused an urgent request in 2005 from battlefield commanders for blast-resistant vehicles, an internal military study concludes.
It accuses the service of "gross mismanagement" that delayed deliveries of the mine-resistant, ambush-protected trucks for more than two years.
Cost was a driving factor in the decision to turn down the request for the MRAPs, according to the study.
"If the mass procurement and fielding of MRAPs had begun in 2005 in response to the known and acknowledged threats at that time, as the (Marine Corps) is doing today, hundreds of deaths and injuries could have been prevented," writes Gayl, the science and technology adviser to Lt. Gen. Richard Natonski, who heads the department.
.....so thelives of marines were not worth the money ?[8D]
RE: Delayed delivery of trucks led to Marine deaths
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Hundreds of U.S. Marines have been killed or injured by roadside bombs in Iraq because Marine Corps bureaucrats refused an urgent request in 2005 from battlefield commanders for blast-resistant vehicles, an internal military study concludes.
It accuses the service of "gross mismanagement" that delayed deliveries of the mine-resistant, ambush-protected trucks for more than two years.
Cost was a driving factor in the decision to turn down the request for the MRAPs, according to the study.
"If the mass procurement and fielding of MRAPs had begun in 2005 in response to the known and acknowledged threats at that time, as the (Marine Corps) is doing today, hundreds of deaths and injuries could have been prevented," writes Gayl, the science and technology adviser to Lt. Gen. Richard Natonski, who heads the department.
.....so thelives of marines were not worth the money ?[8D]
Evidently not I suppose my government thinks the money is better spent investigating steroid use in baseball or some other silly a## sh^% instead of giving our troops what they need to survive.
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RE: Delayed delivery of trucks led to Marine deaths
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Hundreds of U.S. Marines have been killed or injured by roadside bombs in Iraq because Marine Corps bureaucrats refused an urgent request in 2005 from battlefield commanders for blast-resistant vehicles, an internal military study concludes.
It accuses the service of "gross mismanagement" that delayed deliveries of the mine-resistant, ambush-protected trucks for more than two years.
Cost was a driving factor in the decision to turn down the request for the MRAPs, according to the study.
"If the mass procurement and fielding of MRAPs had begun in 2005 in response to the known and acknowledged threats at that time, as the (Marine Corps) is doing today, hundreds of deaths and injuries could have been prevented," writes Gayl, the science and technology adviser to Lt. Gen. Richard Natonski, who heads the department.
.....so thelives of marines were not worth the money ?[8D]
Evidently not I suppose my government thinks the money is better spent investigating steroid use in baseball or some other silly a## sh^% instead of giving our troops what they need to survive.
How much did the gov't spend on that baseball thing?
RE: Delayed delivery of trucks led to Marine deaths
OK.
I was in the Corps and know for a fact about how poor that branch is. I went to the first Gulf War with a pack stamped US ARMY. It had been turned in as unservicable and the Corps snatched it up to save money. We saw it all the time.
Smallest service, smallest budget.
When the Marine Corps requests funding for items not in the budget, it has to go to the Pentagon procurement weenies and they usually say no. It's a fact of life in the Corps.
We used to say , "We've done so much for so long with so little, that we can practically do anything with nothing."
We also used to say "BOHICA", and it looks like that was at work here.
This story is a big thing to everyone but former and active duty Marines.
We've come to expect it from the Pentagon.
The Commander in the field can have the best intentions in the world for his Marines, but it comes down to, "can the budget cover it?"
RE: Delayed delivery of trucks led to Marine deaths
It's the Government. The government always is slow to react because of politics. What cracks me up the most is how some on this board want tohand more management power to the government.
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Who?
Just hang around for a few more months. I'm sure National Healthcare will pop back up.
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The government always is slow to react because of politics.
Cost was a driving factor in the decision to turn down the request for the MRAPs, according to the study.
Stateside authorities saw the hulking vehicles, which can cost as much as a $1 million each, as a financial threat to programs aimed at developing lighter vehicles that were years from being fielded.
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The government always is slow to react because of politics.
Cost was a driving factor in the decision to turn down the request for the MRAPs, according to the study.
Stateside authorities saw the hulking vehicles, which can cost as much as a $1 million each, as a financial threat to programs aimed at developing lighter vehicles that were years from being fielded.
Once again it's the Government Charlie. Remember in Africa we lost all the Special Forces because the Government didn't want to give them heavy armor. It happens all the time because of politics. Money any way you slice has politics behind it.
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Delayed delivery of trucks led to Marine deaths
