Hunting Politics

[Charlie P]

This isn't the usual BS this forum produces it actually has something to do with hunting and Politics.

Pennsylvania Supreme Court Orders State Officials to Crack Down on Canned Hunting.
December 28, 2007
The Humane Society of the United States and The Fund for Animals hailed the state Supreme Court's ruling that the Pennsylvania Game Commission must regulate the shooting of captive animals confined within fenced enclosures for a fee"”a controversial practice commonly referred to as canned hunting.
Humane Society Police Officer Johnna Seeton of the Pennsylvania Legislative Animal Network filed suit in 2003, with assistance from The Fund for Animals and The HSUS, to compel the Game Commission to crack down on canned hunting in the Commonwealth. Although the focus of the suit was the captive hunting of exotic boars, the high court's decision notes that the Game Commission must regulate all trophy shooting of captive wildlife.
"Shooting animals trapped behind a fence for a trophy is inhumane and unsporting, and should not be tolerated in Pennsylvania," said Jonathan Lovvorn, vice president of animal protection litigation for The HSUS. "Yesterday's ruling should be a wake-up call for the Game Commission: It's time to end this egregious activity once and for all."
In its ruling, the Supreme Court held that the Game Commission has both the authority and responsibility to restrict canned hunting of captive wildlife under the existing state Game and Wildlife Code. The Court noted that, to hold otherwise would be to endorse the view that "hunting of captive animals on fenced, private property may be undertaken by means such as drugs or restraint," and that such unsavory practices "violate, at a minimum, the spirit of the Game and Wildlife Code."
"This ruling is an important step toward ending the trophy killing of captive animals for a fee, a practice that most hunters find offensive and unacceptable," said Seeton. "I look forward to working with the Game Commission to make sure this ruling is fully applied and enforced."
The plaintiff was represented in the case by Gordon Einhorn with Thomas, Thomas & Hafer in Harrisburg.
Facts
Canned hunts are illegal or restricted in 23 states. The HSUS tracks individual state statues and regulations at humanesociety.org/cannedhuntsmap. Canned hunts occur at private trophy hunting facilities where hunters pay to kill captive animals as guaranteed trophies.
Although advertised using a variety of names (most frequently "game ranches" or "shooting preserves") canned hunts violate the hunting community's standard of "fair chase" by confining animals to cages or fenced enclosures.
The animals in canned hunts are bred in captivity, purchased from animal dealers, or, in some cases, retired from roadside zoos and circuses, so they do not fear contact with humans and make easy targets. More information about the case is available at:
http://www.hsus.org/in_the_courts/do...d_hunting.html

[Charlie P]

I kow this stuff isn't as important as same sex marriage and abortion are to our hunting hertiage but what the heck, right?

[sachiko]

The idea of hunting on a game ranch doesn't excite me at all. But how is that so terribly different fromconverting tame cows into steaks, roasts,and burgers?

[bawanajim]

ORIGINAL: daddyslittlegirl

The idea of hunting on a game ranch doesn't excite me at all. But how is that so terribly different fromconverting tame cows into steaks, roasts,and burgers?

The 4th word you used in your statement is what makes the difference.

It ain't......................

[Big Duane]

I love this topic

I've preached it for years, that canned hunting will destory hunting as we know it.

Ask yourself WHAT are "they" ending ? The killing of an animal. Thats it, thats the core of this legislation. They are proceeding to crack down on it, with the intent to ban it. Why ? Because its not fair ?

C'MON ! Killing an animal inside a fense is as "fair" as killing it in the wild, isn't it ? Do you know how many variations of "fair" can spawn from this ? Maybe killing a deer behind a 4' fence isn't "fair" ? Maybe hunting a field where they have supper at night isn't "fair" ?

Use your imagination - I'm certain you can see how "unfair" much of what hunting is is




A simple rule is all thats need. One law. What would that be you might ask ?


Any animal killed behind a fence ie an enclosure that the animal cannot escape, is not hunting.


thats it. that right there would stop it all, because those animals are being killed for one reason, and that is horn porn. you take away the right to brag and people wouldn't go there. Shame what it is, remove all ties to REAL hunting, and what REAL hunting is .... and it takes away all that canned hunting is and reduces it to canned killing.


do that ....... and there will be no allure to going there and they'll go extinct for the most part IMO


however thats NOT what the hunting community has chosen, rather they've let it stew and now ARA's are legislating it, and that my friends will lead to many, many bans on hunting as we know it IMO

[Big Duane]

you've only got yourselves to blame too because almost every one of you had the opportunity to step up and amke a stand a few years back - I don't remember anyone standing with stealthycat on that

[sachiko]

ORIGINAL: bawanajim

The 4th word you used in your statement is what makes the difference.

It ain't......................

So what? The anti-hunting crowd doesn't want us to hunt period. This is just a first step in an attack on ALL "hunting." The anti-hunting crowd is already criticizing bow hunting because the animal doesn't always die immediately. There is a lady on this forum from Scotland who says that bow hunting is banned there for that very reason.

We have to stick together guys. I was only introduced to guns and hunting about a year and a half ago. So I'm fully aware of how ignorance can easily give one an anti-hunting, anti-guns attitude.

The anti-hunting, anti-gun crowd knows they can't ban guns or hunting. But they know they can eventually make it too expensive by placing restrictions on ammo or make it impossible by banning "dangerous" weapons. You may wake up someday and find that hunting is still legal in your area, but you aren't allowed to own a "sniper rifle." Or that you can't practice because ammo has just become too expensive.

[bawanajim]

ORIGINAL: daddyslittlegirl

So what? The anti-hunting crowd doesn't want us to hunt period. This is just a first step in an attack on ALL "hunting." The anti-hunting crowd is already criticizing bow hunting because the animal doesn't always die immediately. There is a lady on this forum from Scotland who says that bow hunting is banned there for that very reason.

We have to stick together guys. I was only introduced to guns and hunting about a year and a half ago. So I'm fully aware of how ignorance can easily give one an anti-hunting, anti-guns attitude.

The anti-hunting, anti-gun crowd knows they can't ban guns or hunting. But they know they can eventually make it too expensive by placing restrictions on ammo or make it impossible by banning "dangerous" weapons. You may wake up someday and find that hunting is still legal in your area, but you aren't allowed to own a "sniper rifle." Or that you can't practice because ammo has just become too expensive.

The antis have nothing to say about it, Its not hunting , never will be and any slob that pays money to shoot a deer in a pen is a far cry from a deer hunter. And never would be welcome to my camp fire or dinner table. [:'(]

[BenGarrett]

You know what I say? It ain't hunting, but so what. You can argue until you're blue in the face against fenced hunts, but as long as you buy your beef wrapped in cellophane at the supermarket, you're just being a hypocrit.

[bawanajim]

ORIGINAL: Big Duane

you've only got yourselves to blame too because almost every one of you had the opportunity to step up and amke a stand a few years back - I don't remember anyone standing with stealthycat on that

And Brad did have a few watching his back on that one . Frank "C.I. " Kevin ,Calhunter & myself were in that fight.