Waterboarding is necessary though probably not legal, CIA Director Michael Hayden told Congress Thursday as Attorney General Michael Mukasey said he would not open a criminal investigation into the CIA's use of the technique.
Strapping a person to a surface, covering their face with cloth and pouring water on their face to imitate the sensation of drowning could be used if "an unlawful combatant is possessing information that would help us prevent catastrophic loss of life of Americans or their allies," said Hayden.
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Waterboarding is necessary though probably not legal, CIA Director Michael Hayden told Congress Thursday as Attorney General Michael Mukasey said he would not open a criminal investigation into the CIA's use of the technique.
Strapping a person to a surface, covering their face with cloth and pouring water on their face to imitate the sensation of drowning could be used if "an unlawful combatant is possessing information that would help us prevent catastrophic loss of life of Americans or their allies," said Hayden.
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A Canuck that actually likes us????? You must be a Conservative up there!!! I think any sorry SOB that rules out the various methods of interogation of these "Terrorists" we're dealing with needs to be tied up execution style and have a fake be-heading done on them or one of their children. (but very real right up to the point of the head being lopped off, and see how they feel.) These people don't have a "Geneva Convention Rule Book" they play as they see fit to get what they want, and if they don't get it, "Heads Roll!!!" And that IS the TRUTH!!!! Like it or not the facts are the facts!!!
A Canuck that actually likes us????? You must be a Conservative up there!!! I think any sorry SOB that rules out the various methods of interogation of these "Terrorists" we're dealing with needs to be tied up execution style and have a fake be-heading done on them or one of their children. (but very real right up to the point of the head being lopped off, and see how they feel.) These people don't have a "Geneva Convention Rule Book" they play as they see fit to get what they want, and if they don't get it, "Heads Roll!!!" And that IS the TRUTH!!!! Like it or not the facts are the facts!!!
I thought part of being a real American included not stooping to the low level of our enemies... We all know what THEY do. We've seen it in excruciating, miserable detail. We are not them.
ohbowhtr, How much do we do before we are whatwe are fighting?
If I knew a terroist had info I would water board him to but, justyfying eventually torture because they do it turns us into what?
I personally don't think waterboarding is near what our people get when they are taken and BEHEADED. In all honesty, we have medications we could use, but that again is against the Geneva Convention. But like I said, they don't have a "Geneva Convention Rule Book" and they certainly aren't carrying "Geneva Convention Cards" on them, therefore, I don't believe they deserve the protections of the "Geneva Convention."
Sorry if you disagree, but terrorists are on a completely different level, and we're certainly not beheading anyone that I've heard of are we???? (Note: Rhetorical Question, I know the answer, our bleeding heart media would let us know if we were, no doubt about that.)
Mr. Berg volunteered to go over there, knowing there were risks, chasing the almighty $$$$$, and lost his life. His father in turn blames our govt. for his sons risk-taking behavior that cost him his life??? Another example of how ignorant many people are, and this killing was in response the the LIBERAL media's "need" to expose POW abuses in efforts to make Bush look bad, looks like if backfired, and cost a man his life. A man who no doubt was tortured far more than a little waterboarding, as evidenced by his unattached head rolling around on the ground.
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I thought part of being a real American included not stooping to the low level of our enemies... We all know what THEY do. We've seen it in excruciating, miserable detail. We are not them.
And, Scott, you are correct, "We are not them," because if we were, there'd be a bunch of dead terrorists in now a bunch of "Detainees!!!"
You don't believe they deserve the protection of the GC how far do we go.
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Sorry if you disagree, but terrorists are on a completely different level
I stated on this site awhile back if I knew a terroist defiantely had info on a bomb going off in this country I would do some very extreme things to get that info.
Many of the people we are capturing over there are not terroists.
You seem to be advocating we start doing beheadings to get even.
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Physical Torture where you hurt and mame the body is illegal under GC. However, waterboarding isn't illegal because water boarding is phsycological torture which is allowed. In fact, when I was in the Navythose whowere air crew you went through Search and Rescue School (SAR).Water boarding was used to show what methods would be used against you should you get captured. Your not mamed in anyway and it is very effective on the toughest individuals.
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Waterboarding is not torture. If you are trained in resisting it, it isn't even that effective. If you aren't trained, it's a horrible feeling. I feel it should only be used in circumstances where you are certain a subject has critical intel that is very time sensitive. Since it is so nerve wracking on the subject, they will often resort to trying to guess what you want to hear, and the intel you get is tainted. The best methods remain good old sleep pattern disruption and environmental changes. A good interrogator will get into the head of a subject just using normal conversation in the proper setting. When they let something go then, it's involuntary, and much more reliable
You don't believe they deserve the protection of the GC how far do we go.
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Sorry if you disagree, but terrorists are on a completely different level
I stated on this site awhile back if I knew a terroist defiantely had info on a bomb going off in this country I would do some very extreme things to get that info.
Many of the people we are capturing over there are not terroists.
You seem to be advocating we start doing beheadings to get even.
Sure I did Charlie,in a round about way. I pretty much made it clear, we are NOT what we are fighting, and we won't really be. I believe that many of the methods that have been attacked are not near as bad asour Liberal Media are making them out to be, and they are only attacking these methods, because they want to attack the administration that has allowed them. Similar to the BS they pulled that got Nick Berg beheaded, in retaliation for the Abu Graib misconduct. I don't believe terrorists deserve the protections of the Geneva Conventions, andifsomeone we've capturedis not from a country who signed the "Geneva Pact," or if they are terrorists. Would I behead them??? No, but I certainly would have no reservations to injecting them with a little "truth serum," or giving them a little "extra fluid." Certainly, you can use joint locks and pressurepoints and break many people, and they do not"really" harm and certainly don'tphysically mame anyone.
I certainly don't advocate beheadings, I think that we have to use some form of interrogation that gets results. The threat of putting a "unclean" woman's menstrual blood on them is by far anything comparable to the torture methods they are known to use, and in all honesty, the public don't really need to know exactly what they are doing to obtain info from these detainees as long as noone is being let loose to do what they wish, including beheadings. Much of this informations needs to be on a "NEED to KNOW" basis, and you nor I really "NEED to KNOW." Do you thinkg we got a public opinion before we dropped the big ones on Hiroshima and Nagasaki??? Hell no, because they really didn't need to know, we were fighting a WAR, and did what was believed best to put an end to it. Not saying I'm advocating the use of Nuclear Arms by any means, but at that time, we were fighting a country that not unlike these terrorists came on our soil and attacked us.
Waterboarding is not torture. If you are trained in resisting it, it isn't even that effective. If you aren't trained, it's a horrible feeling. I feel it should only be used in circumstances where you are certain a subject has critical intel that is very time sensitive. Since it is so nerve wracking on the subject, they will often resort to trying to guess what you want to hear, and the intel you get is tainted. The best methods remain good old sleep pattern disruption and environmental changes. A good interrogator will get into the head of a subject just using normal conversation in the proper setting. When they let something go then, it's involuntary, and much more reliable
Having worked at he hospital wheresome Army Psy-ops tests were done on volunteers, I can attest to the use of the Sleep Deprivation being VERY effective.
Waterboarding is necessary
