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Old 01-17-2008, 04:28 AM   #1
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Default I damn told ya'll not to trust drugs

I've preached from the get go that giving drugs to kids is very often NOT a good idea, from over the counter stuff to especially the prescription. 2 weeks ago had I posted that cold medicne was bad and angerous ya'll would have laughed me off the message boards.

Now ? Ya'll who'd given your small kids cough medicine made serious mistakes in doing so - congrats on being a sheep to the medical field [:@]




http://www.cnn.com/2008/HEALTH/01/16/cold.medicines.ap/index.html


WASHINGTON (AP) -- Parents should not give sniffling babies and toddlers over-the-counter cough and cold medicines -- they're too risky for tots so small, the government will declare Thursday.

The Food and Drug Administration still hasn't decided if the remedies are appropriate for older children to continue using, officials told The Associated Press.
Expect a decision on that by spring, the deadline necessary to notify manufacturers before they begin production for next fall's cold season.

For now, the FDA is issuing a public health advisory on Thursday to warn parents to avoid these drugs for children under age 2 "because serious and potentially life-threatening side effects can occur."

It's not the first warning about cold remedies and tots: Drug companies last October quit selling dozens of versions targeted specifically to babies and toddlers. That same month, the FDA's own scientific advisers voted that the drugs don't even work in small children and shouldn't be used in preschoolers, either -- anyone under age 6.

Thursday's advisory marks the government's first ruling on the issue: Don't give the drugs to children under 2. And it comes now because the FDA is worried that parents haven't gotten that message despite all the publicity last fall.

They may still have infant-targeted drugs at home, or they may buy drugs meant for older children to give to hacking tots instead, said Dr. Charles Ganley, FDA's nonprescription drugs chief.

"We still have a concern," Ganley said. "It falls out of people's consciousness. We're still in the middle of cold season right now."

Ganley said he is particularly concerned by recent surveys that suggest many parents don't believe OTC cold remedies could pose a problem, especially if they've used them with an older child who seemed to get better.

Thursday's move is a good first step, said Dr. Joshua Sharfstein, the Baltimore, Maryland, health commissioner, who petitioned the FDA last year to end use of these nonprescription remedies by children under 6, a move backed by the American Academy of Pediatrics.

The reason: There's no evidence that these oral drugs actually ease cold symptoms in children so young -- some studies suggest they do no good at all. And while serious side effects are fairly rare, they do occur.

Indeed, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention last year reported that more than 1,500 babies and toddlers wound up in emergency rooms over a two-year period because of the drugs.

"It's one thing if you're curing cancer, but we're talking about a self-limiting illness," said Sharfstein. "If there's really no evidence of benefit, you don't want to risk the rare problem. Then you're left with tragedy that you can't justify."

The drug industry says these medicines are used 3.8 billion times a year in treating children's cough and cold symptoms and are safe for those over 2

Health groups acknowledge that while low doses of cold medicine don't usually endanger an individual child, the bigger risk is unintentional overdose. For example, the same decongestants, cough suppressants and antihistamines are in multiple products, so using more than one to address different symptoms -- or having multiple caregivers administer doses -- can quickly add up.

[/align]Also, children's medicines are supposed to be measured with the dropper or measuring cap that comes with each product, not an inaccurate kitchen teaspoon.
Why is this an issue now? Child versions of cold remedies were allowed on the market decades ago, when scientists thought that what worked in adults would automatically work in children. Scientists today know that is not always the case.

So the FDA is asking an even bigger question: Are OTC cold remedies safe and effective for children under 12? The agency's advisers last fall stopped short of recommending no use by children ages 6 to 11, but they did call for more research to determine what effects the medicines have in youngsters overall.

Separately, an internal FDA working group hasn't yet reached a consensus about children 2 to 11 years old, but has been given a February deadline to forward recommendations to agency leaders, Ganley said in an interview Wednesday. The goal is a spring announcement.

In the meantime, the FDA's advisory recommends for older children:
"¢ Carefully follow the label's directions.
"¢ Be very careful if you give more than one product to a child. If you give two medicines that have the same or similar ingredients, a child could overdose.
"¢ Understand that these drugs only treat symptoms. Colds are viruses, and the drugs will not make them go away any faster

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Old 01-17-2008, 05:23 AM   #2
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Drugs seem to be a national fetish. You can't watch TV for very long without seeing ads for drugs for just about any problem you might think you have.

And these are for prescription drugs which you can't get unless you see a doctor. What's that about? I guess you're supposed to go to the doctor and say, "I have _____ and I need _____." Then he gives you a prescription for whatever and your life becomes a field of flowers.

Yuck!!!!


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Old 01-17-2008, 05:41 AM   #3
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I liked it better in the days before doctors, lawyers, and drug companies were allowed to advertise. I predicted when it began that it would cause far more problems than it solved, and I haven't seen any reason to believe otherwise so far.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:18 AM   #4
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I bet 95% of those visiting this board take 5 or more pills of _____ everyday. I bet 25% take 10 ore more pills.
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:19 AM   #5
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And these are for prescription drugs which you can't get unless you see a doctor. What's that about? I guess you're supposed to go to the doctor and say, "I have _____ and I need _____." Then he gives you a prescription for whatever and your life becomes a field of flowers.
Funny you would say that. My neighbor was just put into ICU for some sort of infection or reaction to a drug. I asked his wife who their doctor was and she told me. It is well known around here that the doc is just a pill pusher and I told her that particular doc didn't have a great reputation. She said they thoughthe was a great doc because he would give them whatever perscription they thought they needed. Case closed on that one. Apparently one of the perscriptions caused a reaction and his BP rose, he ran a fever and had muscle aches. They think it was a reaction to one of the drugs he was taking. Meds whether over the counter or by perscription aren't always the answer.

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is it cheaper to buy over the counter cold remedies than going to the doctor with a child ?
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Old 01-17-2008, 06:30 AM   #7
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I bet 95% of those visiting this board take 5 or more pills of _____ everyday. I bet 25% take 10 ore more pills.
I doubt that. For someone to take 5 or more would mean they have a cronic condition and most of the guys here are younger and many probably don't have insurance and couldn't afford that many pills.
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I'd start a poll if I could. The below are prescription pills only - how many non-prescription do you think adds to those numbers ?







http://www.sptimes.com/2004/12/03/Worldandnation/More_than_40_percent_.shtml

More than 40 percent of the population is taking at least one prescription drug and one person in every six takes three or more, the government said Thursday. Both figures are up about 5 percentage points in recent years.

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v04/n1730/a06.html

Nearly half of all women -- 49 percent -- were taking prescription drugs in 1999-2000, compared with 39 percent of men.

Adults' use of antidepressants almost tripled from 1988 to 2000. Use was higher among women than men. In 1999-2000, 10 percent of women 18 and older reported taking antidepressants in the previous month, compared with 4 percent of men.

Use of cholesterol-lowering statin drugs among people 45 and older more than tripled from 1995 to 2002, the report said.


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Old 01-17-2008, 07:34 AM   #9
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In the words of Mr. Mackey, "Drugs are bad".

Dont worry. I give my kids crack when they are sick. Peps them right up. I also kick my dog every morning, throw the cat, and slap the wife.
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Old 01-17-2008, 07:43 AM   #10
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I take 3 pills a day. I am diabetic. So duane, in your opinion, I should stop taking my medicine? And let my sugar level hit over 300 and stay there?

It cracks me up. People get the internet in 1990, and all the sudden, they feel they are doctors or know better. Duane, some people probably are smart enough to see this or that, or make conclusions on thier health without aid of a doctor, but man, I don't think you are one of em. You have said some pretty goofy stuff on here.

I would bet medicine is probably the least of your or childs worries.
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