I have belonged to IBEW 1393 for 23 years. I work in a power plant, there are aslo scab labor working here. I can tell you thanks to the Union I make more money, have better beneifits and better working conditons than the scab labor. They have the scabs do work that we would consider unsafe, but they do it or are fired. I have some very different political views than my Union, but as far as fighting for me on the job, they do an excellent job. I guarentee that if we went non-union our wages would be cut, benefits would go down and working conditions would worsen.
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I have belonged to IBEW 1393 for 23 years. I work in a power plant, there are aslo scab labor working here. I can tell you thanks to the Union I make more money, have better beneifits and better working conditons than the scab labor. They have the scabs do work that we would consider unsafe, but they do it or are fired. I have some very different political views than my Union, but as far as fighting for me on the job, they do an excellent job. I guarentee that if we went non-union our wages would be cut, benefits would go down and working conditions would worsen.
That's the problem. Unions help to make people believe they're worth more than they really are. As we've seen time and again, artificially high wages drive profits down, and that puts companies out of business. We've seen quite of bit of this in blue collar sectors, but now the writers are getting it too.
I will bite my tongue. I work with both unionized a labor and non-unionized labor everyday. All I will say is times are changing rapidly and you need to look forward not backward.
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What makes you think I am getting paid more than what I am worth. I will tell you what drives profits down and companies out of business, how about multi-million dollar bonuses and stock options for CEO's and upper managment? Citibank took a 10 BILLION dollar loss the last 3 quarters, but do you think their CEO won't get his inflated salary, bonus, stock option or severence package. Country Wide is losing its butt and I bet the same thing will happen there. How about Iger making 27+million for running Disney? I don't fault people for making more money, but how can anyone be worth 27+million a year?
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I have belonged to IBEW 1393 for 23 years. I work in a power plant, there are aslo scab labor working here. I can tell you thanks to the Union I make more money, have better beneifits and better working conditons than the scab labor. They have the scabs do work that we would consider unsafe, but they do it or are fired. I have some very different political views than my Union, but as far as fighting for me on the job, they do an excellent job. I guarentee that if we went non-union our wages would be cut, benefits would go down and working conditions would worsen.
That's the problem. Unions help to make people believe they're worth more than they really are. As we've seen time and again, artificially high wages drive profits down, and that puts companies out of business. We've seen quite of bit of this in blue collar sectors, but now the writers are getting it too.
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Tuco....formerly known as Honcho12
"Who ever double crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco....Nothing"
Dink a.k.a bloodcrick....learned how to be a Bully from me.
What makes you think I am getting paid more than what I am worth. I will tell you what drives profits down and companies out of business, how about multi-million dollar bonuses and stock options for CEO's and upper managment? Citibank took a 10 BILLION dollar loss the last 3 quarters, but do you think their CEO won't get his inflated salary, bonus, stock option or severence package. Country Wide is losing its butt and I bet the same thing will happen there. How about Iger making 27+million for running Disney? I don't fault people for making more money, but how can anyone be worth 27+million a year?
Without business leaders and stockholders, there would be no company. Labor is nothing without management. I think business owners should be paid according to how well they satisfy the goals of the business. And I think labor should not make unreasonable demands that harm the entire business in the long run.
And without Labor there would be no companies, stockholders or business leaders. I agree it takes all to make it work, but if I screwed up at work and that screw up cost million or billions of dollars I don't think I would get a big bonus, stock option or severence package. I am a shareholder in my company and want it to do as well as possible. Another example is H&R Block, it canned CEO Mark Ernstfor, but he got a 2.55 million severence package plus options on three-quarters of a million shares to vest even though he led the tax preparer during its failed expansion into subprime lending.
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What makes you think I am getting paid more than what I am worth. I will tell you what drives profits down and companies out of business, how about multi-million dollar bonuses and stock options for CEO's and upper managment? Citibank took a 10 BILLION dollar loss the last 3 quarters, but do you think their CEO won't get his inflated salary, bonus, stock option or severence package. Country Wide is losing its butt and I bet the same thing will happen there. How about Iger making 27+million for running Disney? I don't fault people for making more money, but how can anyone be worth 27+million a year?
Without business leaders and stockholders, there would be no company. Labor is nothing without management. I think business owners should be paid according to how well they satisfy the goals of the business. And I think labor should not make unreasonable demands that harm the entire business in the long run.
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Tuco....formerly known as Honcho12
"Who ever double crosses me and leaves me alive, he understands nothing about Tuco....Nothing"
Dink a.k.a bloodcrick....learned how to be a Bully from me.
And without Labor there would be no companies, stockholders or business leaders. I agree it takes all to make it work, but if I screwed up at work and that screw up cost million or billions of dollars I don't think I would get a big bonus, stock option or severence package. I am a shareholder in my company and want it to do as well as possible. Another example is H&R Block, it canned CEO Mark Ernstfor, but he got a 2.55 million severence package plus options on three-quarters of a million shares to vest even though he led the tax preparer during its failed expansion into subprime lending.
I disagree. There will always be business, and labor will always be expendable. The working scabs you mentioned are a testament to that. If a unionize worker won't do a job for a certain wage, a scab will.
This isn't the Industrial Revolution anymore. The Department of Labor makes unions obsolete. And unions make businesses obsolete. How much more non-competitive can this country'sworkforceget?
Unions come about because companies abuse their workers. And then the unions abuse the companies.
You have to have a balance. When the company executives act like the company exists for their own personal enrichment, that is the fault of the board of directors. It shouldn't happen but it does. I think executives should have a comfortable base salary and then be paid in stock, that they can't sell for 5 or 10 years. Then they will be looking out for the long term.
At the same time, some union people think that the company exists solely to provide employment for the workers. When the union has too much power the company will fold or move to mexico.
The right place has to be somewhere in the middle.
Tuco: Seems to me that giving the CEO stock options would give him an incentive to make sure the company performed well. Stock options aren't worth much if the company is getting run into the ground. And, I'm not sure that they affect the company's bottom line.
Please note that I agree that CEO salaries are somewhat inflated. But, I think unions have a tendency to inflate wages excessively too. Look at what's happened to Detroit. The unions basically ran a significant amount of US auto production out of the country, and ***an has built non-union plants here that are quite profitable.
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