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Old 12-31-2007, 11:18 AM   #1
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Anyone seen this movie. Watched it last night was kinda shocking.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y_EKHK1C2IE

Tom Haggard is the one that had Monday morning phone meetings with President bush and then was nailed having sex with men and snorting Meth.

It is easy to see how other groups take it a step further and turn kids it to actual soldiers and have them strap bombs on.
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:51 AM   #2
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what did you find shocking about it Charlie >?
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Old 12-31-2007, 11:58 AM   #3
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The mother changing the pledge. How kids are so easilly totally indoctrinated. Some of the kids staements how they get a bad feeeling off of anyone that isn't a christian, the little girl saying how some churches are dead. The megachurch in Colorado that Tom Haggard was a leader of. The segment where they showed a model of wgat was supposedly a 7 week old fetus but was totall anitomically wrong. You want to teach abortion wrong no problem, just don't lie to them about what your telling them.

What was going on to me bordered on brain washing techniques.
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:06 PM   #4
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Levi: At five I got saved...
Becky Fischer: Yeah?
Levi: ...because I just wanted more of life.

[hr]
Levi: At five I got saved because I just wanted more out of life.

[hr]
Rachel: [preaching to a group of guys sitting in a park[/i]] If you were to die right now in this moment, where do you think you'd go?
guy in the park: Heaven
Rachel: [subdued[/i]] Really?
guy in the park: Yeah. Sure.
Rachel: Oh... okay. Have a nice day!
[runs back to her friends[/i]]
Rachel: I think they were Muslims!

[hr]
[from trailer[/i]]
Campers: I pledge allegiance to the Christian flag...

[hr]
Levi's Mom: Did you get to the part yet where they say that science hasn't proven anything?

[hr]
Becky Fischer: It's no wonder, with that kind of intense training and discipling, that those young people are ready to kill themselves for the cause of Islam. I wanna see young people who are as committed to the cause of Jesus Christ as the young people are to the cause of Islam. I wanna see them as radically laying down their lives for the Gospel as they are over in Pakistan and Israel and Palestine and all those different places, you know, because we have... excuse me, but we have the truth!

[hr]
Becky Fischer: I can go into a playground of kids that don't know anything about Christianity, lead them to the Lord in a matter of, just no time at all, and just moments later they can be seeing visions and hearing the voice of God, because they're so open. They are so usable in Christianity.

[hr]
Becky Fischer: [Referring to President George W. Bush[/i]] He has really brought some real credibility, um, to the Christian faith.

[hr]
Ted Haggard: If the evangelicals vote, they determine the election.

[hr]
Levi's Mom: We believe that there's two kinds of people in this world: people who love Jesus and people who don't.

[hr]
Campers: [Red-haired girl[/i]] There are certain churches, they're called "dead churches," and the people there, they sit there, like this
[blank stare monotone[/i]]
Campers: - "We worship you God, we worship you God."... The churches that God likes to go to, are churches where they're jumping up and down, shouting his name, and just praising him, they're not acting - they're not quiet
[pious frown monotone[/i]]
Campers: "We worship you... ," they're
[exhuberant jumping[/i]]
Campers: "Hallelujah God!" And depending on how they invite him, he'll be there, or not.

[hr]
Ted Haggard: We've decided the Bible is the word of God. We don't have to have a General Assembly about what we believe. It's written in the Bible. Alright, so we don't have to debate what we think about homosexual activity. It's written in the Bible.
[pointing and looking into the camera[/i]]
Ted Haggard: I think I know what you did last night.
[audience laughs[/i]]
Ted Haggard: If you send me a thousand dollars, I won't tell your wife.
[audience and Haggard laughs[/i]]
Ted Haggard: If you use any of this, I'll sue you.

[hr]
Becky Fischer: And while I'm on the subject, let me say something about Harry Potter. Warlocks are the enemies of God! And I don't care what kind of hero they are, they're an enemy of God and had it been in the old testament Harry Potter would have been put to death!
Crowd: Amen!
Becky Fischer: You don't make heroes out of warlocks
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:09 PM   #5
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"śI can go into a playground of kids that don't know anything about Christianity, lead them to the Lord in a matter of, just no time at all, and just moments later they can be seeing visions and hearing the voice of God, because they're so open. They are so usable in Christianity."ť -Becky Fischer (adult)

"Every time I'm around a non-Christian, something just doesn't feel right. It makes my spirit feel yucky" "“Tori (child)

Kids you got to change things, we got too many Christian goners that are fat and lazy, they don"™t want to give up their evening meal, they don"™t want to fast for three days or forty days."ť -Becky Fischer (adult) (she is extremely overweight).




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Old 12-31-2007, 12:14 PM   #6
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I know that some people will dismiss my concerns because of my lack of faith, but I can't believe that this movie didn't make some Christians feel uncomfortable too.
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:17 PM   #7
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The mother changing the pledge. How kids are so easilly totally indoctrinated. Some of the kids staements how they get a bad feeeling off of anyone that isn't a christian, the little girl saying how some churches are dead. The megachurch in Colorado that Tom Haggard was a leader of. The segment where they showed a model of wgat was supposedly a 7 week old fetus but was totall anitomically wrong. You want to teach abortion wrong no problem, just don't lie to them about what your telling them.

What was going on to me bordered on brain washing techniques.


Why is it that when some of the bad preachers ( and there are some ) are exposed all the Christian community gets slammed. There a million other good preachers and Christians that we will never hear about, because they are doing their jobs.
Kind of like saying all Muslims are bad... Because they brain wash their kids (and they do). Talk about a double standard.
Haggard got exposed, and rightly so. Those that preach one thing and do another are not fit to be called preachers, they are no different than most of the stiff necks we have running the country.
The difference is that politicians go into the private sector and make a ton of money, or get pardoned, or rehab, or all three.
As far as I'm concerned Haggard should go to jail for fraud, along with any other preacher that scams their congregation.
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Old 12-31-2007, 12:20 PM   #8
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Rev, Can you show me where I ever said all Christians are bad?
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I think the kinds of attitudes expressed there represent the attitudes of just a very small minority of Christians.
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Rev, Can you show me where I ever said all Christians are bad?

I didn't say you said that.... But you called it brain washing, we call it evangelism. As far as giving their life for Jesus, he wasn't implicating to blow themselves up... See I've given my life to Christ, and consider myself a dead man. Dead to this world Charlie. Am I perfect, far from it!

God has chosen the simple things of this world to confound the wise. I don't expect everyone to see itour way. Unless you've spend a long time studying the scriptures it makes no sense to the average man.


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