When I was 14, I began my study of martial arts. After a time, I was allowed to spar, and eventually participated in events not unlike UFC and other MMA-type events.
The first time I sparred, I managed to knock my opponent down. I stopped and backed up, hoping to allow him time to get to his feet so we could begin again. The instructor stopped the fight and said to me, "What do you think you're doing?"
I said, "I'm letting him up."
He said, "When you knock him down, you get on top of him and finish him. This is not a game."
I learned that there are no rules in combat. I learned that you do what you have to do, to do what you have to do.
I don't understand all this sympathy for people involved in the mass murder of innocent people. I don't understand granting constitutional rights to people suspected of involvement with aiding or participating in the murder of innocent people by way of terror.
Zubaydayah, or Zabodoobie, or whatever his name is, was subjected to whatever was necessary by people we've charged with the job of getting the job done.
So why all the outrage and why are the Republican candidates being asked about torture and waterboarding?
I agree with you. I think partly the answer is television. Televison gets its nose into this and bruits it about and naturally no one wants to stand up and say "Hell yes we do that, we cut their ...Deleted by CalHunter... off too and make them eat them, then we send pictures to their parents. We find that technique to be particularly effective. They seem to be less motivated by the 72 virgins in the after life when you do this to them." I understand that some of the arabs took a Russian agent captive. The Soviets grabbed an arab involved in the capture and cut-off his ear and mailed it to his parents. The captive Russian was promptly released. This was back circa the time the US barracks were bombed in Beirut. I'm not saying I advocate this particular practice, but it illustrates my point. I think when confronted with brutality you play the same game. Why observe the Marquis of Queensbury rules if your opponent isn't following them? Is beheading more humane than waterboarding? Not last time I checked.
There is another angle to consider, that is whether torture provides reliable information. If it doesn't provide reliable information, it is not a useful technique. I would evaluate the value of the technique by its effectiveness not by its humaneness. Again, I don't think the enemy plays by the Marquess of Queensbury rules and we shouldn't either.
Perhaps more to the point is the demand for constitutional rights. I don't get that either. I wonder why foreign combatants are due our constitutional rights while citizens of Washington DC are denied their second amendment rights. Off of soap box . . . I guess the anser to that issue is to fly all those guys back to the crappy place they came from and give them to the Iraqis and Afghanis to take care of. They sure did the right thing with Saddam. I would give some thought to the "take no prisoners" approach also.
Ah well, no one who has any authority is interested in my opinion.
When I was 14, I began my study of martial arts. After a time, I was allowed to spar, and eventually participated in events not unlike UFC and other MMA-type events.
The first time I sparred, I managed to knock my opponent down. I stopped and backed up, hoping to allow him time to get to his feet so we could begin again. The instructor stopped the fight and said to me, "What do you think you're doing?"
I said, "I'm letting him up."
He said, "When you knock him down, you get on top of him and finish him. This is not a game."
I learned that there are no rules in combat. I learned that you do what you have to do, to do what you have to do.
I don't understand all this sympathy for people involved in the mass murder of innocent people. I don't understand granting constitutional rights to people suspected of involvement with aiding or participating in the murder of innocent people by way of terror.
Zubaydayah, or Zabodoobie, or whatever his name is, was subjected to whatever was necessary by people we've charged with the job of getting the job done.
So why all the outrage and why are the Republican candidates being asked about torture and waterboarding?
'Splain it to me. I don't get it.
I love you man!!!! You still suck wind on other topics.
Seriously though, it is the 60's mentality for love and peace. These folks have been so sheltered that they really feel if they only smile and bat an eye all is forgiven. Why would they hate me, I love them, I mean them no harm? Look at the disgraced Richard Gere after 9/11. He stood alone saying not to attack but in reallity all of his hollywood friends and people on the left felt the same way.
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Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Unfortunately, some more sensitive types of people with weak survival instinct refuse toaccept that psychopaths walk among us daily. There are a million or two in the United States alone, and we holdroughly 5% of the global population. It is too much for the sensitive mind to bear. Likewise,this line of thinking goes on to assume thatanyone overseas who loathes America and Americans is simply mis-informed, or legitimately retaliating for some past injustice perpretratedby the U.S.
Youknow, perhaps some murderers really are just mis-informed. But does that make them any less of a murderer?
As far as I'm concerned, the bottom line is that when the bad guy is down, you finish him off.
I would evaluate the value of the technique by its effectiveness not by its humaneness.
That says it all. We have people quite capable of such evaluations. Let them protect us from these people who eat their young.
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Why would they hate me, I love them, I mean them no harm?
The people that truly believe this should be sent as envoys into those neighborhoods, which were and may still be harboring the worst of the worst in that God-forsaken sand hole. I think they would change their tune...before they were beheaded in front of the camera, which they think grants them the right to an opinion higher than that of most Americans.
I'm sick of hearing, "Do you think waterboarding is torture?"
I'm even more sick of hearing our leaders dodge the question.
My answer to that question? "Whatever you want to call it, it saves the lives of millions of innocent people across this planet. Deal with it."
some people think sending an ecard to terrorist captives isthe way to get them to open up first, and discuss their issues to get to their inner child and thusthe underlying reasons why there are terrorists before asking such rude questions like " where is Osama and the training camps in your area "
Waterboarding isn't torture. It's unpleasant. You can take an unpleasant thing and repeat it 1000 times and it puts mental pressure on a person. Some of the weaker ones will cave in to this pressure, but most of the folks getting this treatment now think they betray alla if they give up intel. What these techniques do is soften the guy up mentally, so when he encounters a more subtle technique, he's not ready and gives up something inadvertently. That kind of intel is golden because you know he isn't lying. For the record, I don't like the physical stuff like waterboarding, I think you get better results from sleep-cycle disruption and auditory and visual irritation.
A better question would have been how does each candidate plan on protecting the U.S. if elected President.
Should I tune into the next debate because such an important question just might be raised?
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John Adams “The moment the idea is admitted into society that property is not as sacred as the laws of God, and that there is not a force of law and public justice to protect it, anarchy and tyranny commence.”
Ronald Reagan: 'Everybody that is for abortion has already been born'
"I never said I was worth it. I only said I wouldn't do it for less " William F. Buckley Jr.
Waterboarding...
