What are the chances the Dems pull a Lautenberg in September 08?

Fieldmouse · 11-07-2007, 06:37 PM

Just wondering what do you think the odds are the Dems pull a Lautenberg in September 08 and replace their canidate with Gore. I really think the odds are really good and would say it's 50/50 chance they pull a stuntlike that again. Right now, all top three canidates of theirs are really weak and pollitical light weights not ready for prime time. I believe come next summer and if they're behind by 10 points, there will be a draft Al drive. Other then him, I don't know who could step in and save them from political disaster.

biscuit jake · 11-07-2007, 06:49 PM

I don't anticipate any big contenders in either party stepping in from this point forward until the presidential election. Just a winnowing of weak candidates.

Fieldmouse · 11-07-2007, 07:07 PM

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ORIGINAL: biscuit jake

I don't anticipate any big contenders in either party stepping in from this point forward until the presidential election. Just a winnowing of weak candidates.

Don't interpret the lack of a clear front runner in the Republican Party as not having big contenders.Nor should you interpret the fund raising/or lack of big donors stepping up on the Republican side. The money will flow when the race is narrowed.

Venator1 · 11-08-2007, 04:36 AM

I said in the beginning ThatClinton would run into a wall. It at the present time makes me look foolish. But, I still believe it. You are right the money will flow,however he,who ever comes out of the pile, had better generate some popular appeal. Because we, the Republican's, have dug a hole. That I believe we conservatives are going to have to eat a little of. And keep the primarys as clean as possible. It is going to be about compromise and if the party doesn't it will be trouble.Just a opinion.Not much of one but....

Champlain Islander · 11-08-2007, 06:10 AM

Clinton is the one to beat at least right now. Unless she goes down the tube soon the Dems will proudly use her to win the election. The GOP doesn't stand a chance with the candidates they are running. I said long ago to not count Gore out but the fact remains he is a previous loser and probably won't make it again. I was just listening to a Lou Dobbs interview on CNN and he pretty much echoed my post and said this could be the year of the Independent Party.He feels it is possible for the Independent Party to put a candidate into the mix that will satisfy the American people who aren't willing to see another Clinton in the oval office and feel the GOP has lost the conservative sight. He said the middle class is being taken right down the black hole by politics. The only thing important to today"™s politicians is partisanship much to the detriment of the tax payer.
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Steve863 · 11-08-2007, 06:34 AM

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It is going to be about compromise and if the party doesn't it will be trouble.

You hit the nail on the head! Just look at what happened yesterday. You have the bible-thumper Pat Robertson endorsing the pro-abortion rights Giuliani. Who would have ever thought that someone like Robertson would support a northeast big city liberal? The truth is if the Republicans want to win they have to take on a more middle of the road ideology. They right-wingers of the party have had their day in the sun with 8 years of Bush and it surely has left a sour taste in most Americans mouths even in many conservatives. The republicans surely can beat someone like Hillary if she gets nominated, but they need to appeal more to everyone in the country not just the right-wingers. Sticking to right-wing ideology may have worked in getting Bush elected twice, but after screwing up most things he touched it will surely not work for the republicans this time out! I think the party in general is starting to realize this. Giuliani right now is their most marketable candidate. Whether you agree with him or not, he at least is not the flip-flopper that Romney is and is probably the only candidate that can win two huge electoral vote states like New York and California from the democrats. Eventhough most of the traditionally red states will not be loving Giuliani, he will surely win them over anyone the democrats put up. Combine all this together and you have another republican elected to the presidency.

Getting back to the democrats. The closer we get to the primaries, the less I think Hillary will win the nomination. The party money machines may want her nominated but I think the democrats who will be voting are realizing that they need someone up there who can actually win this time after losing two close elections. I don't know who could be this winning candidate for them other than a Bill Richardson who doesn't have much of a chance, but I think most democrats are starting to realize that Hillary may not be the one they want up there! Way too much baggage associated with her and most of it hasn't even been brought out yet, but surely will be closer to the election so that it could be fresher in voters minds.

falcon · 11-08-2007, 06:50 AM

One thing is for sure:The Democrat and the Republican candidate will both be liberal anti-gunners.

Steve863 · 11-08-2007, 07:21 AM

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One thing is for sure:Â*Â*The Democrat and the Republican candidate will both be liberal anti-gunners.Â*

Yes, they most likely will be. The truth is that the issue is not very important to the majority of Americans and is considered an overhyped non-issue for many others. I know the republicans and the NRA like to claim that the issue helped them win the last two elections, but everyone likes to claim credit when they are on the winning side. I don't know if anyone can ever tell for sure what effects the issue might have had on those elections, but I do know that it won't have much of an effect on the one coming up. Too many more important things on peoples minds.

falcon · 11-08-2007, 07:24 AM

"Too many more important things on peoples minds."

i understand where you are coming from: What is more important than the right to protect oneself from the vermin who prey on our society?

Steve863 · 11-08-2007, 08:07 AM

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What is more important than the right to protect oneself from the vermin who prey on our society?

How many gunowners actually do use guns to protect themselves for this vermin?? Not very many. I guess some gunowners don't feel safe using their own bathrooms without being armed, but that is surely not how most feel. Besides the crime rates in most areas has been steadily going down. Even the big cities. Most people live their entire lives without being victims of any serious crime.