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Old 10-18-2007, 01:54 PM   #1
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Default CA gov. bans lead bullets in condor country

Have you heard the news? Gov. Schwarzenegger banned lead center fire ammunition in the areas on CA where the condors live. Iunderstood that the source of the lead toxicity had never been clearly identified.

I'll betthe new anti's message will include "lead free"argument. Here's two; there's are tons more; facts that are helpful to counter the message from the anti's that hunting is bad for the environment.

-In 2005, hunters purchases sent $294,691,282 to state agencies.
-US hunters & fishermen spend $208million per day or $76billion per year.(from Congressional Sportsmen Foundation report)

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Old 10-18-2007, 02:04 PM   #2
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Default RE: CA gov. bans lead bullets in condor country

I dont see where this will effect hunting. There are many different material used for making projectiles. Lead has been banned for hunting water birds for years. Hasnt stopped a duck hunter yet. I have no problem with airing on the side of caution. I dont see how this will effect hunting or gun rights. Actually, I can see where fighting such a measure would prove counter productive.

I can hear it now. "Those red neck s.o.b.'s are not conservationists. They are more than willing to spray lead every where."

Besides, lead is a poision.

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Old 10-18-2007, 03:03 PM   #3
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Iunderstood that the source of the lead toxicity had never been clearly identified.
are you serious ? I mean ........... seriously ?

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Old 10-18-2007, 05:34 PM   #4
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Default RE: CA gov. bans lead bullets in condor country

I don't really care, but I think it's regrettable that hunters can't decide for themselves which ammo to use.
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Old 10-19-2007, 02:42 AM   #5
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Iunderstood that the source of the lead toxicity had never been clearly identified.
are you serious ? I mean ........... seriously ?
I believe he was talking about what was poisoning the condors not lead in general.
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Old 10-19-2007, 04:46 AM   #6
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Default RE: CA gov. bans lead bullets in condor country

Thebanning of lead shot in condor country has been in the works for many years. Me thinks itis more feel good stuff. The ban on lead shotforhunting of migratory birds was due to hysteria and junk science for the most part.
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:53 AM   #7
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Default RE: CA gov. bans lead bullets in condor country

So what about the condors that stray from the unmarked boundaries of their "range" and consume carcasses containing perfectly legal lead shot or bullets? I have a feeling that their "range" will be extended to cover this.
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Old 10-19-2007, 05:56 AM   #8
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"I have a feeling that their "range" will be extended to cover this."

Bingo!!!!
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Their "range" will be eventually "extended" to cover the entire US as other states attempt to emulate "progressive" CA.
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Old 10-19-2007, 07:21 AM   #9
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So what about the condors that stray from the unmarked boundaries of their "range" and consume carcasses containing perfectly legal lead shot or bullets? I have a feeling that their "range" will be extended to cover this.
May not be all thats extended.Im not gonna argue leads toxic, theres a reason we dont paint babycribs with lead base paint anymoreBut as an example they banned lead for waterfowl hunting here when they went nationwide with it, lots of grumbling among waterfowl hunters but there were other {more expensive} types of shot available and they have improved and expanded on those since the ban.

But for no apparent reason that I could see they shortly afterwards banned lead shot on all public hunting grounds.WTF??Now you have to buy a 17$ box of shells thats not as effective to hunt anything on state ground, the only exceptions being deer slugs and I think turkey loads.This had nothing to do with waterfowl, they fly out into the privatized agricultural ground to feed not into the grassy public areas where I hunt pheasants.Actually the pheasants dont even feed much in these areas.Yet leads still legal in the private ground they feed in, go figure
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Old 10-19-2007, 08:25 AM   #10
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Hasnt stopped a duck hunter yet
If paying 3x as much for a box of shells that has far inferior killing power to lead shot hasn't stopped people from duck hunting, nothing will. We now have some nice alternatives made from tungsten and other heavy metals, but for $2-3 a shot, its become a rich man's sport.

I haven't heard any solid evidence that elad shot was poisoning many waterfowl- like the lead bullet ban in Kalifornia, it was passed based on speculation, theory, and politics.
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